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Old 06-05-2008, 09:36 PM   #856
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Everyone keeps saying that this movie was supposed to be fun? Wasn't it supposed to be good? It's neither, as it turns out, but still.

YLB, I fucking told you that you'd enjoy Pacino's overacting.
GIMME WHAT YOU GOT!
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Pacino's overracting was nearly matched by Nicholson's general insanity in The Departed. One of the best two-day movie-watching experiences I've ever had.
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Nicholson's character at least had an interesting arc. He slowly became more paranoid and crazy over the course of the film. Pacino's didn't. At all. The story there is what De Niro does in a very minimalist, understated fashion. It's hard to say he stole the scenes from Pacino as they only had one together, but while one provides the entertainment value, the other really is the heart of this film, and makes it the epic tragedy worthy of love and respect.
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Nicholson's character at least had an interesting arc. He slowly became more paranoid and crazy over the course of the film. Pacino's didn't. At all. The story there is what De Niro does in a very minimalist, understated fashion. It's hard to say he stole the scenes from Pacino as they only had one together, but while one provides the entertainment value, the other really is the heart of this film, and makes it the epic tragedy worthy of love and respect.
You're right, Pacino's character didn't have much of an arc, but I enjoyed his side of the story and struggles with keeping a family.
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Everyone keeps saying that this movie was supposed to be fun? Wasn't it supposed to be good? It's neither, as it turns out, but still.
I thought it was good and fun.

I think maybe the other part it for a lot of people is that when these films orginally came out most of us were kids. Its difficult to come back to a new film now and experience it the same way as when you were a kid. This is the major problem I think I had with the Star Wars prequels. I was disappointed with ep 1 and 2 (I liked ep 3) there and I think thats a lot of the reason. Because my 8 and 10 year old nephews loved all of them. (although I still think ep 1 was pretty bad regardless except for the Darth Maul parts).
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If Shia LeWhatever is starring in it, I will very likely stay home.
Unfortunately I think that is the plan. A sort of father/son deal like Last Crusade.
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Oh, if Ford is still in it as Indiana Jones, I'd probably go. But if it's Shia by himself as taking the reins over from dad, meh.
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Unfortunately I think that is the plan. A sort of father/son deal like Last Crusade.
I was thinking they would use "bad guys kidnap the wife and/or son and the hero returns in action one last time" story.

I liked Harrison and LeBouf in the best of the family moments but I don't want anyone except Ford be Indy and the movie had a good enough closure as it is.
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I think we are all going to get to review another one in a few years. From what George Lucas has been saying in interviews I think its going to happen. I'm looking forward to it if it happens. I may be in the minority by looking at this thread.


I'd be up for it. Like Episode 1 vs. Episode 3, I think that Skull's flaws are owed largely to Lucas' unchecked excitement at going back to the series after 20 years. If we can get more Indy's out of him, I bet we'd get better movies. Of course there's a time limit...I don't want to see a John McCain version of Harrison Ford out there as Indy, all crotchety and ancient.
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I thought the 4.0 John McCain was a virtual Superman compared to McCain in the first three movies. Luckily Indy 4.0 is more like an actual human.
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I'll not watch a LaBouf driven Indy film. Just not interested.

BlueRoom, there might be something to the "we saw it as kids" thing, but, then again, there are plenty of films I watched and liked in my youth, but rewatch as an adult and discover they are crap. For the first and third Indy films, that is just not the case. For me, they still stand up.

I liked Episode III, too.

Oh, and Laz, agreed re: DeNiro in Heat. His character's story is a lot more interesting, but I just find some of Pacino's scenes to be hilarious.
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Are you guys confusing John McClane with John McCain?
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:37 PM   #867
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for calling it like it is.

I think the first couple of days it was out
all the devoted fans just talked themselves into believing it was better than it was.
Wow deep, you must really be the cheering section for people who hate this movie. Why do you post so much about it if you hate it so much?

I'm in the group that enjoyed it, and im a fan of the first three as well. Just because someone enjoys something doesn't mean the haters have to go and mock them and make them out to have inferior taste or take pleasure everytime someone else comes along and dosen't like it. This isn't a contest to see how many people like or don't like this movie. I think the box office figures in the end will tell the story...if not the overall public reaction.

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Oh, if Ford is still in it as Indiana Jones, I'd probably go. But if it's Shia by himself as taking the reins over from dad, meh.
I think its a good move going with Shia as Indy's son. If they make another Indy movie, it probably won't be soon. Maybe 4 or 5 years from now. By then, I think Shia's marquee value will have skyrocketed. Whether anyone likes the kid or not, he's definitely on the rise.
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i saw the movie over the weekend with my daughter and we had fun. it totally reminded me of the times i saw the first two in the theaters...just like old times. it was great
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I finally saw it a couple days ago. It was entertaining, but I think it clearly suffered from what I like to call "The Hand of Lucas". You know it, you've seen it. Generally it's the irresistible urge to add CGI or do entire scenes in CGI whenever possible (also known as gangrenescreen), and the equally irresistible urge to add something specifically for the kiddies, no matter how cutesy or lame it may be (I'm looking at you prairie dogs and monkeys). Spielberg's directing no doubt saved t from a total crapfest and managed to make it reasonably fun and entertaining for the most part, but I'm in no rush to see it again. And for the life of me I can't figure out how Ebert could possibly give it 4 stars.
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