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Old 07-27-2005, 11:56 AM   #16
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you folks don't think they tried to do this diplomatically?

they sure fooled you


why is the diplomat, Colin Powell gone

and when Rummy offered his resignation twice,
W did not take it?


Why is someone like Danforth gone from the UN,
a well respected diplomat?

and then they are promoting, Bolton, with the poorest diplomacy skills imaginable?
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Old 07-27-2005, 12:31 PM   #17
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Fooled? I don't think so.

u can not rationalize w/ terrorists....diplomacy has been tried and will be tried forever...

sure innocent people will be hurt, but innocent people are already being hurt by the terrorists with each and every attack.

If military action is not needed according to you folks, then what do you suppose we try next?

Hypnotize them?

we have very bright people in our govt agencies and when all is said and done, I think they make sound/moral decisions....not always... but usually.
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okay, leaving the Iraq war aside...what political, economic, and diplomatic routes should we be taking that we aren't at the moment?
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The solution is "more diplomatic, more economic, more political than it is military.
Great idea. Why don't you put it this way.... "Please please please mister terrorist, we'll give you anything you want so long as you don't kill us."
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anyway that will work.....if diplomacy fails and trying to cut off economic suppplies fails, unfortunately it has to be done w/ war.

ANYWAY possible. these are bad people doing bad things.

i was in nyc 9/11 and i have lost friends on that day....that's all the proof that I need to say : "Any Means Necessary"
How have we tried diplomacy, I'd like to see what you are refering to...

You don't kill ideas with war. Their is no one land, one country, or one leader to war with...it's an endless 'war' where you end up just screwing yourself.
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It's called the Bush Administration has long realized that we cannot wage a 50 year "war on terror." Period. We don't have the resources. Period. We've stretched ourselves too thin. Period.

However, the GOP is not prone to back out of something without saving face, so this is the "saving face." This is why our "war on terror" will not extend to nations like Iran, although targeted missile attacks like during the Clinton Administration are likely to make a comeback, I'm sure.

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How have we tried diplomacy, I'd like to see what you are refering to...

You don't kill ideas with war. Their is no one land, one country, or one leader to war with...it's an endless 'war' where you end up just screwing yourself.
What's your alternative though? By your definition, if there's no one leader, no one country, no one land, who are you supposed to be diplomatic with?

At least this way they know that if they mess with civilized people, they going to pay for it dearly. The message got through to Quadafi and it's getting through to others as well.
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we've been in talks w/ heads of countries that harbor, fund, and aid these terrorists and tried to work with them to sever ties w/ terrorists and/or hand them over. Iraq didn't listen & afghansitan wanted nothing to do with us. i'm sure we've had high level discussions w/ Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Kenya and everywhere else where discussions are needed. I don't exactly get the memos when these meetings are held. I'm confident that we know about 1% of what is actually happening.

it's also a challenge to deal w/ terrorism in general because they don't wear uniforms and come from dozens of countries, and don't announce themselves as terrorists....we've never faced this kind of challenge and there will be times when we stumble or get side tracked.

if the US gov't isn't handling things properly, please enlighten me as to your game plan.
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Well, you guys don't support the administration?

This is their new campaign.

are you with us or against us?

maybe you are unlawful combatants?


those 1800 dead have taken the game as far as it can go


new election cycle - old dance is a proven loser

you must learn the new dance.
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What's your alternative though? By your definition, if there's no one leader, no one country, no one land, who are you supposed to be diplomatic with?

At least this way they know that if they mess with civilized people, they going to pay for it dearly. The message got through to Quadafi and it's getting through to others as well.
That's a laugh...yeah we've seen a big backing down tell that to London.

Alternative, find the reasons that these "bad people are doing bad"...

Terrorism will never die, just like racism will never die. But ideas can be controled. The power that racism had in the States 50 years ago doesn't exist today, and war didn't have to be waged.
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i'm sure we've had high level discussions w/ Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Kenya and everywhere else where discussions are needed.
I'm glad you have information that the rest of us don't.
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I have my doubts about this current administration but I support my gov't.

although, most US presidents & cabinet members etc from previous eras have had checkered pasts and had some shady scandals as well.
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Fooled? I don't think so.

u can not rationalize w/ terrorists..
I can not.


But, your "restore honor and integrity to the Whitehouse" sack of waste, President sure can.


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I have my doubts about this current administration but I support my gov't.

That can be a deadly trap my friend.
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civilized people, .

I guess you did not read newspapers about gitmo, the use of napalm, the use of clusterbombs, torture, killing inocent civlilians. ( sp )




k,.i think economic help, more medical aid to civilans ect. would be a good thing to end the support of *normal* population to the terrorist. Help people to start there own buisness, help developing agryculture ect ( not the Halliburton way )


It will be a very slow proces and one that will cost lives also, but at the end that will be the only sollution.
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