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Old 02-24-2003, 08:43 PM   #1
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Normal War Could Bomb Your Pocketbook

by Joseph Stiglitz

published on Friday, February 21, 2003 by the Los Angeles Times

A little more than half a century ago, World War II brought the United States and the world out of the Great Depression, earning for war a positive reputation at least in the realm of economics.

At the time, some went so far as to suggest that capitalism needed war and that without war there would be an inevitable slide into recession.

Today we know that both propositions are nonsense. The boom of the '90s showed that peace is far better for the economy than war. And the Gulf War showed that wars can actually be bad for the economy. It is far more probable than not that a war in Iraq would be like the Gulf War.

World War II represented a total mobilization, beginning from a situation where there were vast amounts of idle resources. An Iraq war, like the Gulf War, is likely to entail very limited resources, probably less than 1% of GDP.

Even without these expenditures, though, there are massive deficits, which will be even more massive if President Bush has his way with his tax proposals. There is an increasing consensus -- joined recently by Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan -- that the country can ill afford even more deficits, so any increased military spending will come at the expense of social expenditures and badly needed investments in research, infrastructure and education.

Accordingly, there is likely to be little if any short-term stimulus, while long-term growth will be hurt. Whatever one can say about whether spending money dropping bombs on Iraq enhances long-term national security, it does not do anything for long-term economic growth at home.

Of course, we cannot be precise about the economic effect of a war on Iraq because no one knows how such a war would play out or what its aftermath might look like. Of this we can be sure: The uncertainties we face as we seemingly move inevitably toward war are bad for the economy, coming as they do upon a host of other uncertainties.

Our economy has not fared well over the last two years. Almost 2 million private sector jobs have been destroyed; a $3-trillion, 10-year non-Social Security surplus has been turned into a $2-trillion deficit; and if the president's proposals succeed, these deficits will balloon, with deficits as far as the eye can see, even when the economy returns to full employment.

Monetary policy has proved remarkably ineffective. Our trade deficit has continued to grow. Corporate, accounting and financial scandals have rocked confidence in our business establishment, contributing to the plummeting stock market. Markets do not like uncertainty; they hold off on investment, waiting for it to be resolved. And because the outcome of this particular military venture appears so uncertain, there is all the more reason to maintain a wait-and-see stance.

Consider the most favorable scenario: a short war with no repercussions outside Iraq. A new and democratic regime in Iraq might need to spend billions repairing the damage, not only from the war but from the decade-long sanctions, and it probably will have to depend largely on its own resources. As large new supplies of oil enter the market, the global price would become depressed, hurting the oil-producing parts of the U.S. as well as other oil exporters. In this scenario, the U.S. as a whole benefits, but parts of the nation go into deep recession, similar to the devastation that befell the oil-producing states when oil prices dropped in the 1980s.

Then consider what most observers view as a more realistic scenario: The war lasts longer than anticipated, costs more than we thought and leads to some disturbances elsewhere in the oil-producing Islamic world; and there are some, if limited, terrorist attacks on the West. In this event, we need to recall the consequences of the Arab oil embargo of the early 1970s. And this time it could be far worse. Soaring oil prices can bring on global havoc and recession. In the course of the conflict, or in Saddam Hussein's waning days, the Iraqi oil fields may be left in flames. We may not like the task of nation-building, but could we in good conscience simply walk away?

We will be called upon to spend still more rebuilding Iraq than we spent removing Hussein from power. Some have suggested that one of the motivations for going to war is to seize control of these oil fields. But international scrutiny will be intense. Presumably, the international community will insist that there be competitive bidding for the right to develop these fields. U.S. firms may or may not win these bids, but even if they do, competition should limit their profits. And even if they manage to garner for themselves more than a normal rate of return, the broader benefit to the American economy will be very limited.

Meanwhile, previous experiences have taught us that even limited terrorist attacks can have ruinous effects on the economy. Indeed, they are designed to deliver a big bang for the buck, to scare people. In the attempt to impede terrorism, flows of goods and services across borders will probably be held up; even financial flows may be impaired.

It is not a pretty picture. War seldom presents a pretty picture. But we are a rich country, able to withstand economic mismanagement and even a war that does not go as well as we might like. This war is unlikely to be good for the economy; it is more likely to be bad, possibly very bad. We will probably be poorer, and our growth slower than it otherwise would be.

No rational country goes to war to help its economy, but neither should any country wage war without weighing carefully the costs and benefits of going or not going to war, an analysis that brings in a consideration of all the relevant scenarios.

We should be thankful. At least we will not experience either the human carnage or material destruction that may well befall Iraq.

Joseph E. Stiglitz is the 2001 Nobel laureate in economics.
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Re: War Could Bomb Your Pocketbook

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Joseph E. Stiglitz is the 2001 Nobel laureate in economics.
Well, obviously he's just a liberal pawn in the sissyfied wine-swilling French-speaking peace movement...who just happened to win a Nobel prize.
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That may be your opinion, paxetaurora, but did you care to get any more information about him?

He was one of the top officials of the World Bank. Go read his book "The Discontents of Globalization". Detailed descriptions about Russia and East Asian financial crisis. You will see that Stiglitz is an expert in political economics.
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i think she was being facetious.
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That may be your opinion, paxetaurora, but did you care to get any more information about him?

He was one of the top officials of the World Bank. Go read his book "The Discontents of Globalization". Detailed descriptions about Russia and East Asian financial crisis. You will see that Stiglitz is an expert in political economics.

She's joking!!! It's a joke!
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well.
It's funny how some people's words or sayings can be mis-read or mis-interpreted.
It's happened to me..
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