US Politics VII - Page 9 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-30-2018, 01:16 PM   #121
Blue Crack Addict
 
DaveC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: illegitimi non carborundum
Posts: 19,628
Local Time: 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ImOuttaControl View Post
Agreed. Thanks for being a reasonable voice among the partisan zealots on this site. We all know that if the tables were turned and a hypothetical President Clinton had been so attacked, most in this forum would be rabidly defending her and calling the personal attacks as sexist, demand apologies and organizing boycotts of the comedians sponsors. Wolf has rightly been admonished by many on the right and the left.


first of all let's not compare this to an attack on hillary because this wasn't an attack on trump, it was aimed at his press secretary.

nothing about the routine was sexist in any way shape or form so let's leave that steaming pile of bullshit right where it lies.

and if hillary's press secretary told absurd, easily-falsifiable lies on a daily basis to the american people, nobody would be foaming at the mouth with rage that someone called that press secretary a liar.
__________________

DaveC is online now  
Old 04-30-2018, 01:23 PM   #122
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat...
Posts: 6,663
Local Time: 11:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveC View Post
and if hillary's press secretary told absurd, easily-falsifiable lies on a daily basis to the american people, nobody would be foaming at the mouth with rage that someone called that press secretary a liar.
Well HRC didn't need a Press Secretary for that...she was more that capable of that quite on her own.

Yeah, yeah. Trump is worse. Everyone knows that.
__________________

Nick66 is offline  
Old 04-30-2018, 01:29 PM   #123
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Headache in a Suitcase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Stateless
Posts: 62,617
Local Time: 06:00 PM
What Seth Myers said to Obama's face...

Quote:
What happened to you? When you were sworn in you looked like the guy from the Old Spice commercials. Now you look like Louis Gossett, Sr. I have never said this to anyone before, but maybe you should start smoking again. Is this the change you were talking about? Mr. President, look at your hair. If your hair gets any whiter the Tea Party is going to endorse it. Ooohh, I'm going to get an angry voice mail from Jenny Thomas in 19 years.
so mean of that mean meany.
Headache in a Suitcase is online now  
Old 04-30-2018, 01:33 PM   #124
Blue Crack Addict
 
DaveC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: illegitimi non carborundum
Posts: 19,628
Local Time: 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick66 View Post
Well HRC didn't need a Press Secretary for that...she was more that capable of that quite on her own.
DaveC is online now  
Old 04-30-2018, 01:35 PM   #125
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 31,666
Local Time: 06:00 PM
Quote:
On Thursday night, Mr. Imus began by shuffling some papers in front of him, saying that they did not appear to be his notes. He wondered where they had come from, and said that they did not look like papers someone would leave lying around.

He then looked directly at Mrs. Clinton, making an obvious connection to an aide's finding of papers important to the Whitewater investigation "lying around" in a room at the White House. Later, Mr. Imus jokingly referred to Mrs. Clinton's having been "indicted."

He also made insulting references to Speaker Newt Gingrich's lesbian half sister, Senator Bob Kerrey's "wooden leg," and Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s hair transplant, and allusions to the marital problems of several television people in the room.

"His satire was in many ways brilliant," said a television correspondent who was there but who insisted on anonymity, "but it was deeply and personally cutting. The President, the First Lady and Speaker Gingrich were clearly not amused; you could see by their faces. But it was Imus to the hilt; he was right on his game."

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/23/u...-a-dinner.html

Irvine511 is online now  
Old 04-30-2018, 01:39 PM   #126
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat...
Posts: 6,663
Local Time: 11:00 PM
Now see, I think Imus's (who was never funny and consistently classless) comments were over the line as well. And he joked about Bill Clinton having sex in his pickup truck in front of his wife and the First Lady of the United States. Unnecessarily cruel. Joking about Clinton's sex life was (and is) fair game, but Imus had his radio show 5 days a week to do that. He could have given it a rest for one night....even though he may have been "honest".

In any event, I believe he took quite a bit of heat from the left for that (and Republicans probably predicable defended it). Everyone runs to their own little sides when these things happen. Again, tribalism....judging not what was said, but who said it and to/about whom.

In any event, like the case with Wolf, the White House Correspondence Association found Imus's comments regretful and uncivil as well.
Nick66 is offline  
Old 04-30-2018, 01:57 PM   #127
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 31,666
Local Time: 06:00 PM
Honesty, brokered.
Irvine511 is online now  
Old 04-30-2018, 01:58 PM   #128
Blue Crack Distributor
 
corianderstem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 64,498
Local Time: 03:00 PM
It's been a learning opportunity for so many. Just think how many people now know what a "smoky eye" is!
corianderstem is offline  
Old 04-30-2018, 01:59 PM   #129
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat...
Posts: 6,663
Local Time: 11:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
Honesty, brokered.


You're welcome!
Nick66 is offline  
Old 04-30-2018, 02:01 PM   #130
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 31,666
Local Time: 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick66 View Post


You're welcome!




we are all better people now.
Irvine511 is online now  
Old 04-30-2018, 02:08 PM   #131
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat...
Posts: 6,663
Local Time: 11:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
we are all better people now.
I try. But this...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
...makes it all worth it.

I was honestly thinking about taking a break from FYM. But you've given me the strength to, as Churchill would say, "persevere".
Nick66 is offline  
Old 04-30-2018, 02:22 PM   #132
Refugee
 
ImOuttaControl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes
Posts: 1,450
Local Time: 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveC View Post


first of all let's not compare this to an attack on hillary because this wasn't an attack on trump, it was aimed at his press secretary.

nothing about the routine was sexist in any way shape or form so let's leave that steaming pile of bullshit right where it lies.

and if hillary's press secretary told absurd, easily-falsifiable lies on a daily basis to the american people, nobody would be foaming at the mouth with rage that someone called that press secretary a liar.
Yeah, no kidding. I know the difference between Clinton and Sanders. The point is that that If it would have been a similar routine and the target would have been a female democrat, you guys would be decrying it as sexist blah blah blah. But, considering that it was a conservative woman, AKA the white equivalent to an Uncle Tom, it is cheered on by the majority of you. That's the point Nick is trying to make. If there was nothing wrong with the act, then why did so many pundits--liberal and conservative-- quickly condemn it?

"Absurd, easily falsifiable lies." Pretty much sums up the average job of any press secretary, liberal or conservative.
ImOuttaControl is offline  
Old 04-30-2018, 02:23 PM   #133
The Fly
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 296
Local Time: 03:00 PM
Our ice cream man, Arizona Governor Doug Ducey...ignores the students marching and protesting in the Capitol during the MarchForYourLives protests, then gets the fuck out of town as 50,000 teachers using sick days to push for funding not just for raises (Arizona is 50th nationally in average teacher salary adjusted for cost of living), but support staff and tech/supplies.


Arizona passed a voter-initiated proposition to fund schools, and a cent sales tax was passed, and on both occasions, the state took the money into the general fund, then dropped the corporate tax rate to "cause development that will increase overall revenue", defunded schools by over $350M (to be paid for by this "expected growth")...so, to put it all clear, they created a trough to be filled by voter-approved funds and growth, stole the voter-approved funds, the "growth" hasn't come close to their budget numbers, and the trough is still just as big. So the teachers are finally striking/performing sickouts. And Ducey and the legislature leave town.

So...a common element to these two events? A group of people who call themselves "patriots", associated with the Kingman Patriots, a militia group...a group that comes to these events, sometimes with assault weapons, and shouts people down. One in particular, who my daughter (a leader for her school in the MarchForOurLives/#neveragain movement) refers to as "bad eyeliner lady", who walked into their silent protest at the Capitol and started videoing and shouting down teenagers (she shook my kid pretty bad as she exited after her time was done at the protest) is also friends with two women who vandalized a Tempe mosque with their small children in toe and filmed it...and posted it on Facebook, leading to arrests. The group is well known to Arizona law enforcement, and Ducey was out to speak to a group they are affiliated with.

Ducey couldn't be in town for the teacher march, but he had time to pose with crazy eyeliner lady and her crew. There are rumors the "OK" sign one is flashing is a white power thing. I don't know about that. But here is our Governor...battling old Ev Mecham for "Worst Leader in the History of Arizona".

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...oup/563195002/
Wide Awake n AZ is offline  
Old 04-30-2018, 02:24 PM   #134
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Headache in a Suitcase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Stateless
Posts: 62,617
Local Time: 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ImOuttaControl View Post
Yeah, no kidding. I know the difference between Clinton and Sanders. And If it would have been a similar routine and the target would have been a female democrat, you guys would be decrying it as sexist blah blah blah. But, considering that it was a conservative woman, AKA the white equivalent to an Uncle Tom, it is cheered on by the majority of you. That's the point Nick is trying to make.

"Absurd, easily falsifiable lies." Pretty much sums up the average job of any press secretary, liberal or conservative.
If you can't see the difference between what the press secretary position has become in this administration vs past adminstrations, then there's zero point in having any discussion with you on the matter.

And please don't call me a Democrat. Thanks.
Headache in a Suitcase is online now  
Old 04-30-2018, 02:27 PM   #135
The Fly
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 296
Local Time: 03:00 PM
Just to add...in this state, no one in leadership ever should post with anyone who has association with the words "Kingman" and "Militia".

Those who remember Oklahoma City and Terry Nichols and, to a lesser extent in this association, Timothy McVeigh, and live in Arizona should know this. Kingman militia members played a part in that narrative.
__________________

Wide Awake n AZ is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com