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Old 12-05-2017, 09:05 PM   #1
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US Politics V - now with 20% more echo chamber

Trump's going to recognize Jerusalem aa the Israeli capital, because some men just want to see the world burn.
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i don't even understand why israel would want this at this point. if they somehow got the one state solution and legally annexed the west bank and gaza they'd either have to turn into a fascist apartheid pariah state or let the palestinians share real power somehow.
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Who is even asking for this ?
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The only question that needs to be asked is this: will it annoy liberals?

If the answer is yes, Trump will do it.
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Ugh. Tucking Frump.
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I'm baffled
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i'm confused about why trump did this as well. it's not like his base is pro-semitic.
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I mean the timing makes sense re deutsche bank etc. Trump loves diversions. But this one is odd.
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i'm confused about why trump did this as well. it's not like his base is pro-semitic.


You sure about that?

I'd say it's a strange republican thing to be very pro-the Israeli state.

Why? My best guess is that they're a group of somewhat white people surrounded by arabs. There's always been the republican cries for "supporting our allies" of Israel.
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he's not a republican and neither is his base.
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he's not a republican and neither is his base.


Don't be silly.
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You sure about that?

I'd say it's a strange republican thing to be very pro-the Israeli state.

Why? My best guess is that they're a group of somewhat white people surrounded by arabs. There's always been the republican cries for "supporting our allies" of Israel.
Evangelicals support Israel because they believe it's their obligation as Christians to support the Chosen People of God, regardless of how immoral or ass-backwards their actions may be. The rebirth of Israel is viewed as miraculous and ties in with Biblical prophecy.

Why secular Republicans would blindly support Israel I have less rationale for.
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Trump is an odd duck, in that his son and law, daughter and grandkids are Orthodox Jews, and in that he's a flaming racist.
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Jared?
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Remember when Trump said Jared was going to broker peace there. He actually said something like that during the campaign.
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This is sort of what I was talking about in the earlier thread. Questioning people's motives for holding the political positions they do.

Why do Republicans support Israel? They hate Arabs! God told them to! It's like saying that progressives who are critical of Israel are simply antisemitic.

What a great conversation that is.

R: I support Israel. They're a strong US ally and the only free democracy in the region.
P: That's because you're an Islamaphobe. Israel is persecuting the Palestinians and stealing their land!
R: Antisemite!
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This is sort of what I was talking about in the earlier thread. Questioning people's motives for holding the political positions they do.

Why do Republicans support Israel? They hate Arabs! God told them to! It's like saying that progressives who are critical of Israel are simply antisemitic.

What a great conversation that is.

R: I support Israel. They're a strong US ally and the only free democracy in the region.
P: That's because you're an Islamaphobe. Israel is persecuting the Palestinians and stealing their land!
R: Antisemite!
Well that's how every discussion about everything ever in America happens now.

We're a nation of extremes with zero ability to make rational compromise.
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This is sort of what I was talking about in the earlier thread. Questioning people's motives for holding the political positions they do.

Why do Republicans support Israel? They hate Arabs! God told them to! It's like saying that progressives who are critical of Israel are simply antisemitic.

What a great conversation that is.

R: I support Israel. They're a strong US ally and the only free democracy in the region.
P: That's because you're an Islamaphobe. Israel is persecuting the Palestinians and stealing their land!
R: Antisemite!



I think you’re underplaying the role that the church plays in the political opinions some people hold and how they vote. It could be that many people hold opinions that aren’t terribly nuanced — my pastor tells me that Jews are god’s chosen people, they are a democracy, and Palestinians like to blow up kindergarteners on buses. Easy.

Now let me get on with my busy life.

I’d also point to the lobbying power of AIPAC and their ability to shape the opinions above. And when it comes to understanding a very, very complicated situation, easy clarity is appealing.
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I like this bit from a recent countable discussion that Spielberg, Meryl Streep, Amy Pascal & others had in promoting The Post:

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SPIELBERG: We've lost the majority of good listeners, that our conversations have turned into skirmishes. We live in an area where we don't know a lot of red-state voters. Well, I know a lot because I have friends and family in other parts of this country, and so at dinner-table conversations outside of California, I'm completely mute or I get into these huge rows. The gray and the blue have become the blue and the red. And it is as vast a chasm as our nation faced before the Civil War. I've never seen anything like it.

MERYL STREEP: We don't know where north is. People disagree on what actual facts are. Whether this table is really a table.

LIZ HANNAH: We need to see each other. We need to look each other in the eye and know you're not a villain, you are not evil.
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