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Old 09-29-2008, 12:15 AM   #646
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According to his mother, they did not.
Not to mention that he was allegedly asked not to mention it. Nothing about wearing it.

I agree. It seems the parents have colliding views on the war, or even the father's quotes were made up.

I especially liked this quote and would prefer more people took that to heart, not only the candidates:
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"My request to both of them is that they honor the troops by lifting the conversation to the issues, and that they continue to live up to the standards our military deserves."
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"My request to both of them is that they honor the troops by lifting the conversation to the issues,"

Hear that, candidates? It doesn't mean trot out their names to play a round of "I Cry More Over The Dead Soldiers Than You Do".

Thank you.
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"My request to both of them is that they honor the troops by lifting the conversation to the issues,"

Hear that, candidates? It doesn't mean trot out their names to play a round of "I Cry More Over The Dead Soldiers Than You Do".

Thank you.


I HATED that they both brought up those bracelets. It was cheap.
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I agree. You wear one of those, you don't talk about it. Especially in that setting.
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Obama: McCain 'Katrina-Like' on Economy
Rips McCain for Delayed Response; Both Candidates Gingerly Embrace Bailout
By RON CLAIBORNE, JOHN BERMAN and KRISTIN RED-HORSE

Sept. 28, 2008 —

Presidential contenders Barack Obama and John McCain gingerly are embracing the bailout deal, with McCain calling it "something that all of us will swallow hard and go forward with."

With the country's attention focused on bailout negotiations at the Capitol, McCain and Obama largely have been sticking to the topic at hand.

The McCain campaign allowed cameras to capture him "working the phones" from his condo in suburban Virginia.

Obama had three rallies this weekend centered on the economy, at which he repeatedly declared, "I think John McCain doesn't get it." At one event, he even accused McCain of a "Katrina-like response" to the financial crisis.

The past few days have been rough for McCain.

He declared Wednesday that he was suspending his campaign to get involved in the bailout talks, a move Democrats and even some Republicans have derided as grandstanding.

On ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," McCain was asked how much he actually helped with negotiations.

"I will let you and others ... be the judge of that," he said. "I did the best that I could."

In addition, polls suggested voters felt Obama won the first McCain-Obama debate on Friday.

And on Saturday, McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, was skewered in a "Saturday Night Live" sketch over an interview she gave to CBS' Katie Couric.

With criticism of Palin mounting, there may be heavy pressure on her to deliver a strong performance during a vice-presidential debate on Thursday.

"There's going to continue to be a little bit of a murmur," said Kevin Madden, a political analyst and former spokesman for Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, "that maybe this was the wrong pick, that maybe she doesn't have the national exposure that's needed to really get through a national campaign ... even among some conservatives."

Meanwhile, Obama kept up the pressure, using the economic crisis as a hammer to pound away at John McCain any chance he got.

"His first response to the greatest financial meltdown in generations was a Katrina-like response," Obama said today in Detroit. "[McCain] sort of stood there, said the 'fundamentals of the economy are strong.'"

The struggles on Wall Street have been seen as an opportunity for Obama because polls say Americans trust him rather than McCain to handle the economy.

Today, he suggested he deserved credit for the bailout compromise worked out in Washington.

"When it comes to protecting taxpayers," Obama said on CBS' "Face the Nation," "I was pushing very hard and involved in shaping those provisions."

But with the bailout plan comes opportunity, McCain hopes. If the plan calms financial markets, it could allow him to re-focus the political debate from the economy to where he wants it: who's better prepared to be commander-in-chief.
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Look at this humiliation for McCain:

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John McCain's presidential campaign claimed credit as Congress readied Monday to vote on an emergency economic package, but Democrats said the Republican's last-ditch intervention had been no help.

Mitt Romney, McCain's erstwhile rival for the Republican nomination, said the deal on a Wall Street bailout worth up to 700 billion dollars would never have happened without the Arizona senator.

Speaking on NBC television, the former Massachusetts governor said "this bill would not have been agreed to had it not been for John McCain."
Devastating.

The Dow just had a single largest one-day drop in history.


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McCain's apparently going to come out with a statement this afternoon saying that the failure of the bill to go through was the fault of Barack Obama & the Democrats, as they clearly put politics first instead of country.








What a douchebag!!!





It's primarily the Democrats who voted for the damn thing, not against it (60% of dems, <30% of repubs)! The Republicans even got their insurance bit in there, and they still voted against it. They're listening to their lame-brained constituents (who are dumb enough to think that the bill is simply "us paying for Wall Street's mistakes" and not recognizing that it's to make sure you can get a loan for your house, car, school, business, etc.) and are afraid they won't get re-elected if they vote for it. Looks to me like the people who didn't vote for it are putting politics over country first.

Come on. You parachuted in to capture all the headlines. Said you could leave because you got the changes you wanted. And then your own guys didn't even vote for it!

Seriously, when McCain claims at the next debate that Obama "used the economic crisis for political gain," I want Obama to say this: "Listen, America, let's look at the facts. John McCain spent 26 years voting for deregulation. When deregulation killed the economy last month, John McCain said our economy was strong. When polls said that the American people felt I could handle the economy better than he could, he flew into Washington with cameras blazing--and yet claimed I was using the crisis for political gain. Then, after he spent his day in Washington and got his photo ops, his own party stalled talks. His party's demands were included in the bill, and John McCain claimed credit for the bill that went to the floor. But his own party refused to vote for it. Then, then, he claimed that I was responsible for the failing of the bill. And he says that I've been using the economic crisis for political gain. <chuckle>"




What a douchebag!

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McCain couldn't even deliver the Arizona Congressmen - they all voted against the Bill, so he really has no room to talk.

He hinged his campaign on this Bill, acting irrationally like a white knight coming to save Washington. Well congratulations, you are the owner of EPIC PHAIL.

I don't believe the voters are interested in his pathetic blame game at this point. The negativity is really doing wonders for him in the polls. This is one of the worst campaigns I've ever seen run and I saw Bob Dole.
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Wow, now this is getting frustrating. Somehow, you've managed to almost completely miss everything I was trying to say.

You honestly think I made my decision over The Simpsons? You entirely missed the point of me posting that quote. I cannot fathom how you misunderstood that. The point was that your logic was faulty.

And, again, the point went absolutely sailing over your head: I'm not saying people who make attempts shouldn't be treated as such. I'm saying you have to prove it first, in a court of law with a fair trial. We're talking about suspects here, not people that are guaranteed guilty. This goes back to my point about conservatives believing in some strange infallibility with the CIA and FBI and American justice system.

What I'm saying, and read this carefully, is that not every person that is arrested by the United States on the grounds of terrorism or association with terrorist groups actually committed a terrorist attack, attempted to commit one, or are even associated with a terrorist group at all. A lot of these cases are based on speculation with no solid evidence as to whether there's even a link.

If these points go over your head again, I think I'm done.
Don't get caught on a battlefield against the U.S. and you won't get picked up.

McCain attacks Guantanamo decision - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

McCain is complaining here about some of the released prisoners. Some have attacked American soldiers. What we are worried about is these people being released and then having to battle them later.

Supreme Disgrace by Peter Wehner on National Review Online

This is the legal point of view.

Vanessa Redgrave thinks it's kidnapping but what are you supposed to do when you rout an enemy and catch prisoners? Send them back to meet them again? If soldiers then get killed won't there be criticism of Bush then? Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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McCain , you are the owner of EPIC PHAIL.
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We're in Afganistan arn't we? Please don't make a connection between Iraq and 9/11. We've been threatened since we joined the war on terror. I'm not saying we should'nt be in Afganistan, but the potential terror attacks in Canada are not related to Iraq.
I'm not talking about 9/11. I'm talking about foiled terrorist attacks in the U.S. and Canada. My point is that there is a danger and it's not hyped.
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Vanessa Redgrave thinks it's kidnapping but what are you supposed to do when you rout an enemy and catch prisoners? Send them back to meet them again?

Unfortunately, yes. If this were a real war, you know, one with an end...then you keep an enemy combatant (formerly known as P.O.W....they are indeed members of an organized resistance, so they qualify as P.O.W.s, so lets call them that and see how we feel about them then) until the end of the war.

But how does a "War on Terrorism" end? When does it end? Is an end really even possible?

I don't think so.

So you're left with what? Keeping these guys their whole lives until they die?
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Don't get caught on a battlefield against the U.S. and you won't get picked up.
Words of comfort for Maher Arar, I'm sure.
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Don't get caught on a battlefield against the U.S. and you won't get picked up.

McCain attacks Guantanamo decision - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

McCain is complaining here about some of the released prisoners. Some have attacked American soldiers. What we are worried about is these people being released and then having to battle them later.

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This is the legal point of view.

Vanessa Redgrave thinks it's kidnapping but what are you supposed to do when you rout an enemy and catch prisoners? Send them back to meet them again? If soldiers then get killed won't there be criticism of Bush then? Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Now you've strangely painted this as a black and white case where you either imprison them or release them. Maybe we can use the United States legal system and put them on trial. That's my suggestion.
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Who donates to the CBC?

Its government funded, yes. But its programing and purpose are totally different. CBC has a line up of comedy programming, one hour dramas, includes American TV shows. Has its own sports divison, radio channels and nightly news programs. The CBC is run like a traditional network tv channel. PBS is not. They are so totally different, and I'd love to see the figures of how much PBS gets from the govt and how much they recieve in donations.
Well I've processed tax returns with CBC donation slips, but certainly there are differences between large endowments and personal donations. The point I was making to someone else was that without government funding and donations they wouldn't survive.
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