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Old 02-04-2008, 09:40 PM   #151
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What is your definition of "love?"

Do you live 100% by that statement?

If so, you opposed going after Al-Qaeda after 9/11, right?

You don't believe in any sort of prison or punishment for criminals, right?

If someone in your family was murdered, you wouldn't mind if he was never brought to justice, right?

If someone is mean to you, you are never ever mean in return or hostile in any way, right?

If you truly love your enemy, BVS, you can't possibly support any of the above.
I love my brother, but if committed a crime, he should go to jail. You can still treat your prisoners and enemies with basic human rights.

You love your children but you discipline them when they do wrong.
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You see, that's all we're doing when we waterboard prisoners. We're just disciplining them. It's all done out of love.
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so I guess we'll next have to argue suitable methods of discipline approved only by the jesus invokers of convenience.

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I'm sure the jesus invokers of convenience will see it fit that Joran Vandersloot's confession be thrown out as well-because the method of extracting the confession was dubious.

Bravo.

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so I guess we'll next have to argue suitable methods of discipline approved only by the jesus invokers of convenience.

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Like deny rights to those that aren't like you?

Wow, you go way out of your way to miss points, don't you?
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I'm sure the jesus invokers of convenience will see it fit that Joran Vandersloot's confession be thrown out as well-because the method of extracting the confession was dubious.



That mental illness is kicking in fast, eh?

If we allowed "any means necessary" someone could have you in prison tomorrow for life.
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We have a checks and balances process for a reason.

If a confession was made in a way that doesn't fit the letter of the law, it can't be used. If a confession was made while the person was under the influence or something, it can't be used. We have these checks and balances to protect us. They may not always work in our favor, but if we break them we just make it that much easier for innocent people to be sentenced.

If we start allowing anything to be admitted as evidence or false confessions, then what's the point?
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Here's an example:

Diamond, let's say we started allowing torture within our borders in order to get "information", I could call up my FBI friend tomorrow tell him you have information on an attack. He takes you in and starts questioning you, you don't say anything, because honestly you have no info, I just made it up because I'm a pissed off neighbor. So you don't respond to normal questioning so he starts torturing you. You have two choices, die(or at least feel like you are going to die) or make up something in order to save your life...

How is this effective? Disgruntal neighbors, disgruntal employees, disgruntal terrorists they all have the ability to make something up to turn someone in.
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Which one of the 3 stooges burped?

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You're the only person I've ever seen brag that you use the ignore list.

I personally think the ignore list is stupid, but that's just me.

You read the posts anyway. The only time you seem to use the ignore list is to make posts like this or use it as a cop out to avoid an argument.
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so I guess we'll next have to argue suitable methods of discipline approved only by the jesus invokers of convenience
I've tried to stay away from the religious argument for the most part, so address my post. All you've done so far is post that you're ignoring me. Address this:

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Aside from this ridiculous attempt to justify it:

1. You can't prove they're terrorists.

2. Torture doesn't work.

If you, Diamond, 2618, or anyone else who's pro-torture addresses these, then there'll at least be some substance here.
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We have a checks and balances process for a reason.

If a confession was made in a way that doesn't fit the letter of the law, it can't be used. If a confession was made while the person was under the influence or something, it can't be used. We have these checks and balances to protect us. They may not always work in our favor, but if we break them we just make it that much easier for innocent people to be sentenced.

If we start allowing anything to be admitted as evidence or false confessions, then what's the point?
No you say than to rearresting Vandersloot then, correct?

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Here's an example:

Diamond, let's say we started allowing torture within our borders in order to get "information", I could call up my FBI friend tomorrow tell him you have information on an attack. He takes you in and starts questioning you, you don't say anything, because honestly you have no info, I just made it up because I'm a pissed off neighbor. So you don't respond to normal questioning so he starts torturing you. You have two choices, die(or at least feel like you are going to die) or make up something in order to save your life...

How is this effective? Disgruntal neighbors, disgruntal employees, disgruntal terrorists they all have the ability to make something up to turn someone in.
This is an easy one.

The FBI wouldn't arrest me but arrest you for making crap music.

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I've tried to stay away from the religious argument for the most part, so address my post. All you've done so far is post that you're ignoring me. Address this:

Waterboarding worked on a known terrorist, it's been proven in this thread already.
It saved lives.

I say always keep it as a last resort, using only under extreme circumstances only-and stop acting like terrorists should be given prefrentail treatment for polictically correct reasons.

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