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Old 04-17-2010, 01:01 PM   #556
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Yeah, f*cking awful that big government, eh? Just look at what happened to countries with big governments like, oh, I don't know, half of Western Europe?

Actually, maybe you've missed the headlines the last few months - but Western Europe is on the verge of financial collapse. The countries worst off are the ones of the "big governments" (compared to GDP) - Potugal, Ireland, Italy, soon to go default Greece, and Spain. Many economists predict the same path for France.
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But it's a grass-roots movement. Stupid lame-stream media.

Crashing the 'tea party' - latimes.com


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As regular readers of this column will recall, the public packaging of the tea party movement -- and particularly events that win it TV airtime, like cross-country bus tours, rallies and ads -- is mainly the product of California Republican political consultants, foremost among them the Sacramento-based firm of Russo Marsh and Rogers. That company has not only promoted the movement but also used it to raise money for a political action committee, Our Country Deserves Better, founded to oppose Obama during the general election. This week, Politico reported that, according to federal filings, the Our Country PAC has raised $2.7 million since launching the Tea Party Express bus tours.

"That fundraising success," Politico wrote, "has also meant a brisk business for Russo Marsh." The website found that Russo Marsh and a sister firm received $1.9 million of the $4.1 million in payments made by the PAC; some of those funds would have gone for TV airtime and to vendors.
And "big government" is just fine when you benefit from it:

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They aren't, however, implacable foes of "big government" or even of taxes. More than half (52%) told the pollsters they think their own "income taxes this year are fair," just 10% less than all American adults. Moreover, a majority told follow-up interviewers that, though they wanted "smaller government," they didn't want cuts in our largest social programs, Social Security and Medicare.

So much for the surge of a new anti-government populism.
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Additionally, there is nothing inherently wrong with distrust of an overly strong central authority.

like, regarding torture and rendition?
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These are some of the tenants of National Socialism…


this is garbage. absolute garbage. bush wasn't hitler, and Obama isn't a national socialist.
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These are some of the tenants of National Socialism…
Oh my God. Get over it. That kind of shit is just insane, especially coming from a group of people willing to marginalize gay people, which really was a tenant of National Socialism.


See what I did there? See how lame that whole thing can get?
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... bush wasn't hitler, and Obama isn't a national socialist.
Both of these statements are true. Nonetheless, the point remains - those were some of the tenants of National Socialism.
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Both of these statements are true. Nonetheless, the point remains - those were some of the tenants of National Socialism.
Don't forget Stalin!!!!!!111!!!1
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Both of these statements are true. Nonetheless, the point remains - those were some of the tenants of National Socialism.


you have no point. you're drawing a meaningless comparison that amounts to absolutely nothing except to link two entirely disparate things in the same sentence in order to create the perception that they have something in common.

Mussolini made the trains run on time. often, Amtrak runs on time. therefore, Amtrak is fascist.

again, garbage.

would you like to talk about waterboarding, a technique used by the Gestappo and the Khamer Rouge as well as the Bush Administration?
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I'm not exactly a Tea Bag Party fan, but I do find it always necessary to keep the federal government "in check" for two reasons 1) the Constitution is designed to do just that and 2) I simply do not trust those that seek such positions
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I'm not exactly a Tea Bag Party fan, but I do find it always necessary to keep the federal government "in check" for two reasons 1) the Constitution is designed to do just that and 2) I simply do not trust those that seek such positions


where were you when Bush/Cheney was president and declaring that everything he did was constitutional because he was the president and therefore if he did something it was constitutional?

i share your concern, i just find it odd that this wasn't a concern from 2001-2009, and it's only now that there's a black man in the office that the whites are getting all worried.

(oh, wait, was it wrong to toss race in there? seems far more fair than making Hitler comparisons)
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i share your concern, i just find it odd that this wasn't a concern from 2001-2009, and it's only now that there's a black man in the office that the whites are getting all worried.

(oh, wait, was it wrong to toss race in there? seems far more fair than making Hitler comparisons)
Don't forget the bitch woman who runs Congress. (Does that make me a man-hater?)
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Well played
Yet my other point was unanswered.
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where were you when Bush/Cheney was president and declaring that everything he did was constitutional because he was the president and therefore if he did something it was constitutional?
I don't agree with everything this administration did. I especially don't agree with the expansion of the government (not a conservative move).

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i share your concern, i just find it odd that this wasn't a concern from 2001-2009, and it's only now that there's a black man in the office that the whites are getting all worried.
These concerns were raised with the Clinton Administration as well - he chose a fiscal conservative path. Obama is choosing not to follow Clinton's lead - thus the rallies.


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My point in bringing up those tenants of National Socialism is that big promises from a big government may sound nice - but they come at a significant cost.
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My point in bringing up those tenants of National Socialism is that big promises from a big government may sound nice - but they come at a significant cost.


which is what? genocide? doesn't this strike you as insane? or merely bad thinking?
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which is what? genocide? doesn't this strike you as insane? or merely bad thinking?
Could be genocide. In the present day, more likely to lead to bankrupty or fiscal insolvency (current examples: see Western European countries like Greece, Spain, Italy...). Could be a loss of liberty which could just as easily work against your sexual orientation (just depends who happens to be in charge of this desired central power at the time).

Strong central authoritative states that promise to "take care of you" do not have a good track record.
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