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Old 04-10-2010, 06:03 PM   #481
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I was (partially) kidding

sure there are some independents, and even a few democrats in that movement

but, when push comes to shove in November, Palin, Dick Army and others that have influence with them will have them pull the lever for the GOP

sure some, less than 10% of them, will complain, but all the GOP will be on board with Tea Party pledge of fiscal responsibility, pay as you go, talking points, etc.
It'll be interesting to see if write-in candidates make any difference in any races.

McCain's reelection race is the most interesting I know of, but I'm sure there are some others.

Coming back to my home state, MN, Jesse Ventura really didn't gain any momentum until the late summer. I'm not saying Ventura aligns with the Tea Party, but his election was certainly out of frustration of the Dems and Repubs. (I voted for him.)
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YouTube - Schumer: 'The Hard Right, Which Still Believes' in 'Traditional Values'...'All That Is Over.'
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Are you pretending to not understand what he means by that? Or do you agree?
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Crash The Tea Party!

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Tea party is on guard for Hub stop

April 11, 2010

Sarah Palin is slated to be in Boston Common Wednesday for the Tea Party Express “Just Vote Them Out!’’ tour — a cross-country rally that will end with a protest in Washington on tax day, April 15. This is the first time the tour is coming to Boston, home of the original tea party, and activists are expecting thousands of fired-up activists to attend.

But keep an eye out in the crowd: There may be some misfits afoot.

Conservative talk-show host Sean Hannity warned Friday about a rogue website that’s encouraging mischief-makers to crash tea party rallies. How will they infiltrate?

“Whenever possible, we will act on behalf of the tea party in ways which exaggerate their least-appealing qualities (misspelled protest signs, wild claims in TV interviews, etc.) to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them,’’ suggests the site, called crashtheteaparty.org.

The site says it is the project of a nationwide network of Democrats, Republicans, and independents who are sick of the tea party movement. But its creator, Jason Levin, says he is just a 36-year-old technology educator from Portland, Ore. He is thrilled that his idea went viral, thanks to Hannity.

“I think words are often more powerful than actions and if you can just get the idea out there that there is this great unwashed monolithic group of people prepared to invade the tea party, the people in the tea party — who are so ready for that message — will just take it and run with it,’’ Levin said in an interview.

Tea party members wouldn’t really do that, would they?

Well, conservative blogs and websites were immediately abuzz with warnings to keep their eyes peeled for crashers. Warned one post: “Next tea party you go to be on the lookout for trouble makers. Chances are they could be agents of these idiots.’’
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By Edward Mason | Monday, April 12, 2010 | Home - BostonHerald.com | Local Politics

U.S. Sen. Scott Brown, whose stunning victory in January was fueled in part by Tea Party anger, has snubbed the fiery grassroots group and declined its invitation to join Sarah Palin Wednesday at a massive rally on Boston Common, the Herald has learned.

Brown’s decision to skip the first big rally in Boston by the group whose members are credited with helping him win election has some experts saying he’s tossed the Tea Party overboard, as he prepares for re-election in 2012.

“He wants to mainstream himself before the election,” said Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist.

Brown, who took heat for the alleged misbehavior of some of his supporters at campaign events, may be trying to distance himself from what could be a volatile event, said political analyst Lou DiNatale.

“You’re worried at a rally that there’s a sign, a statement, an incident that’s certifiably cuckoo occurs ,” DiNatale said.

“To win re-election, Scott Brown floating to the right is a serious problem.

“And showing up at a Sarah Palin, Tea Party event is not the way to the middle.”

But Brown spokesman Felix Browne said the senator applauds the “energy and enthusiasm” Palin and the Tea Party bring to GOP politics.

The Senate is in session and Brown can’t get away, Browne said.

“He’ll be doing the job he was elected to do - serving the people of the commonwealth of Massachusetts,” Browne said.

Sabato said it’s “possible” Brown can’t get away but noted senators do travel to their districts during the weeks-long stretches that the Senate is in session.

“It’s not like they’re voting constantly,” Sabato said.

Tea Party members said they don’t feel slighted.

“It’s not about paying favors back,” said Mark Williams, chairman of the Tea Party Express, which organized the rally and invited Brown.

“I’d happily forgo (having him) if he’s truly doing the job of the people.

“He has half a century of Kennedy damage to compensate for, after all.”

Barbara Klain, head of the Greater Lowell Tea Party, said Brown also turned down an invite to speak at their April 15 rally in downtown Lowell.

“He said he was going to be in Washington,” Klain said. “He needs to be doing his job.”

It’s a view Sabato suggested was willfully naive.

“It’s naive, but they’re cutting him some slack,” Sabato said.

“But he’s their hero, more so than Sarah Palin - they got him elected.”

This won’t be the first time Brown has appeared to distance himself from Palin.

Shortly after his triumph, Brown denied receiving a congratulatory call from Palin, only to remember the exchange when pressed.

Palin is a possible 2012 presidential rival to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, whose aides were the architects of Brown’s Senate win.
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Here's a little insight for you TP guys, Brown was an opportunist, he used you and doesn't want to be associated with you.

He supported health care in his state, but opposed it to get your vote. He voted for the job's bill and I'm pretty sure he'll continue to disappoint you all by not being quite as backwards as you all...
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Here's a little insight for you TP guys, Brown was an opportunist, he used you and doesn't want to be associated with you.

He supported health care in his state, but opposed it to get your vote. He voted for the job's bill and I'm pretty sure he'll continue to disappoint you all by not being quite as backwards as you all...
I love the national people trumpeting Brown in Mass. along with Mitt Romney. New England Republicans? I'll take them over some small/southern/central state Dems.



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SRLC 2012 Presidential Straw Poll RESULTS
April 10th, 2010 by Wilson Research Strategies

WRS is proud to be the pollster for the Southern Republican Leadership Conference and the tabulator for the 2012 Straw Poll.

Methodology: Only paid, credentialed attendees to the 2010 Southern Republican Leadership Conference were permitted to cast a ballot in the straw poll. The survey questionnaire includes six questions: first choice for 2012 Presidential primary, second choice for primary, resident state, age, and who the respondent supported in the 2008 primary.

The following are the topline results. A more detailed analysis of the data will be available in the following days on the WRS blog.

Initial Choice
(If the primary election for president were held today, for whom would you vote?)
Mitt Romney 24% (439)
Ron Paul 24% (438)
Sarah Palin 18% (330)
Newt Gingrich 18% (321)
Mike Huckabee 4% (80)
Mike Pence 3% (58)
Tim Pawlenty 3% (54)
Rick Santorum 2% (41)
Gary Johnson 1% (3)


Second Choice
(Who would be your second choice in the Republican Primary Election for president?)
Newt Gingrich 20% (339)
Sarah Palin 20% (332)
Mitt Romney 14% (242)
Mike Huckabee 11% (178)
Mike Pence 8% (141)
Rick Santorum 7% (125)
Tim Pawlenty 7% (114)
Gary Johnson 6% (104)
Ron Paul 6% (98)
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I love the national people trumpeting Brown in Mass. along with Mitt Romney. New England Republicans? I'll take them over some small/southern/central state Dems.
agreed.
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Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

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SEAN MURPHY and TIM TALLEY | 04/12/10 09:30 PM | AP

OKLAHOMA CITY — Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force. They say the unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers.

"Is it scary? It sure is," said tea party leader Al Gerhart of Oklahoma City, who heads an umbrella group of tea party factions called the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance. "But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?"

Thus far, the discussions have been exploratory. Even the proponents say they don't know how an armed force would be organized nor how a state-based militia could block federal mandates. Critics also asserted that the force could inflame extremism, and that the National Guard already provides for the state's military needs.

"Have they heard of the Oklahoma City bombing?" said Joseph Thai, a constitutional law professor at the University of Oklahoma. The state observes the 15th anniversary of the anti-government attack on Monday. Such actions could "throw fuel in the fire of radicals," he said.

But the militia talks reflect the frustration of some grass roots groups seeking new ways of fighting recent federal initiatives, such as the health reform plan, which requires all citizens to have health insurance. Over the last year, tea party groups across the country have staged rallies and pressured politicians to protest big government and demand reduced public spending.

In strongly conservative states like Oklahoma, some legislators have also discussed further action to fight federal policies, such as state legislation and lawsuits.

State Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, a Republican candidate for governor who has appealed for tea party support, said supporters of a state militia have talked to him, and that he believes the citizen unit would be authorized under the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

The founding fathers "were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren't even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other," Brogdon said. "The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."
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Another lawmaker, state Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, said he believes there's a good chance of introducing legislation for a state-authorized militia next year.

Tea party leader J.W. Berry of the Tulsa-based OKforTea began soliciting interest in a state militia through his newsletter under the subject "Buy more guns, more bullets."

"It's not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that," Berry said. "This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature."

State militias clearly are constitutionally authorized, but have not been used in recent times, said Glenn Reynolds, a law professor at the University of Tennessee and an expert on the Second Amendment. "Whether someone should get a militia to go toe-to-toe with the federal government ... now, that strikes me as kind of silly," he said.

Some conservative legislators in Oklahoma say talk of a militia, which would be privately recruited, armed and trained, goes too far.

"If the intent is to create a militia for disaster relief, we have the National Guard," said Sen. Steve Russell, R-Oklahoma City, a retired Army lieutenant colonel. "Anything beyond that purpose should be viewed with great concern and caution."

Democratic Gov. Brad Henry's communications director Paul Sund also discounted the militia discussion, saying the National Guard handles state emergencies and security.

Federal authorities say that radical militia groups have not emerged in Oklahoma, unlike many other states, in part because of the legacy of the Oklahoma City bombing. On April 19, 1995, an anti-government conspiracy led by Army veteran Tim McVeigh exploded a truckbomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people.

Last month, FBI agents conducted a raid on the Hutaree militia group in southern Michigan and accused members of plotting to kill law enforcement officers.

(This version CORRECTS the spelling of building from Alfred P. Murray to Murrah.)
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"The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."

Score! Who do I shoot first?

I have a great feeling about this, guys. Who needs a federal government? Fuck da feds!
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Tuesday's Gregalogue: Infiltrating the Infiltrators

So a hater of the Tea Party movement claims he plans to destroy the group, by infiltrating it and then having his cohorts act racist and homophobic. He thinks manufacturing this behavior can devastate the party's reputation.

Well, I guess that beats honest debate.

But what a lot of work! Which leads me to believe this guy is a nobody, in between jobs, desperately seeking approval (and possibly, some tongue) from Keith Olbermann. The dope even started a web page, a Facebook page, and more than likely holds secret meetings in a tree house in his parent's backyard.

The secret knock is based on a Rage Against the Machine song!

It's funny because it's the Tea Party movement. But I suppose it wouldn't be so funny if it were the woman's movement, a civil rights movement, a gay parade. Then that would be evil, intolerable, wrong. But because these are average Americans pissed off about big government, they're open game.

But here's what I love: The guy's goal is to act racist and homophobic, in order to create...proof of racism and homophobia! Which means, he's pretty much proved that none of it exists in the tea parties, if he has to go to the trouble of importing the stuff.

And, he's also invented a new way for racists to get away with being racist: just say you're an undercover liberal!

But the fact is, progressive types have been branding the Tea Partiers as extremists since day one. Now, for lack of examples- they must create behavior they cannot substantiate.

So I'm going to do the same. I'm going to infiltrate the infiltrators! And then act like them! Which means I'll have to stop bathing.

And if you disagree with me, you're a racist homophobe who wears mink.


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I don't agree that we need to infiltrate the Tea Party to make them look insane.
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If that's true, I would agree that it's asshole behavior and it makes me more than a little sad.

Don't be a dick, dude. You're not helping.
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This isn't new, it was first being reported by right wing blogs and the AM guys as an organized Democrat movement, but it's just this one asshole.

I mean do they really need help?
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“Whenever possible, we will act on behalf of the tea party in ways which exaggerate their least-appealing qualities (misspelled protest signs, wild claims in TV interviews, etc.) to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them,’’ suggests the site, called crashtheteaparty.org.
You posted a few articles, what do you think of dishonest party crashers?

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