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Old 04-11-2006, 02:50 PM   #31
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Perhaps more girls should look up to role models like her
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Old 04-11-2006, 03:32 PM   #32
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Smart isn't sexy, most guys don't want to feel intimidated by a female of potentially higher intellectual capacity. Many guys find stupider girls more appealing as they can be controlled more easily and our role as the 'dominant' sex isn't threatened.
Well if you really believe that, most women are turned off by men with that attitude. The sad fact is that you do have a point, some men do have that attitude. Oh well, smart women don't want to be with men who are like that anyway. If I have to dumb myself down and act in a silly way to be appealing to a man, I'd much prefer sitting on a porch w/ a bunch of cats. I've never done that (dumbed myself down) so I guess that's one reason why I am so unappealing.

Dominant sex? I don't believe in anyone being dominant.
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Not a Stupid girl

she has made a few magazine covers


young girls should look up to her. \/


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Well if you really believe that, most women are turned off by men with that attitude. The sad fact is that you do have a point, some men do have that attitude. Oh well, smart women don't want to be with men who are like that anyway. If I have to dumb myself down and act in a silly way to be appealing to a man, I'd much prefer sitting on a porch w/ a bunch of cats. I've never done that (dumbed myself down) so I guess that's one reason why I am so unappealing.

Dominant sex? I don't believe in anyone being dominant.

Mrs S!!! Well said!
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Dominant sex? I don't believe in anyone being dominant.
you could take turns

just have a "safe" word.
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I normally can't stand Oprah, but good for her for covering this topic. I'm sick of seeing so many portrayals of stupid, shallow females in pop culture. I miss the '90s, when a TV character like Agent Scully from the X-Files was considered both a role model and a sex symbol.

Pink's video is great - the part where she's parodying Jessica Simpson in the These Boots Are Made For Walking Video is pure comedy gold! But I always have to look away when she gets to the part about bullimia. I understand the point she's trying to make, but I just can't stand watching people barf on screen.
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While I see the effects of the so called "stupid girl" culture every day at school I can't help but wonder what kind of message these girls are getting at home. Maybe it's time to stop blaming pop culture and focus on what's going on at home.
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I think this is especially true on girls who are just stupid because they allow themselves to be taken advantage of. For example, "Girls Gone Wild", what self respecting girl does that? Yet there are so many who crave attention so much that they are willing to degrade themselves to a piece of meat.

I know of several girls that have kissed other girls just to be sexy. I don't get it. Why would you do such a thing only for attention?

Some girls want attention so much that they turn promiscous without knowing that this actually hurts their cause.
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Old 04-11-2006, 09:18 PM   #39
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I think this is especially true on girls who are just stupid because they allow themselves to be taken advantage of. For example, "Girls Gone Wild", what self respecting girl does that? Yet there are so many who crave attention so much that they are willing to degrade themselves to a piece of meat.

I know of several girls that have kissed other girls just to be sexy. I don't get it. Why would you do such a thing only for attention?

Some girls want attention so much that they turn promiscous without knowing that this actually hurts their cause.
Well I'm sure a good amount of alcohol in their system helps as well.

As for the whole "Stupid Girls" epidemic. I think as long as the public continues to enjoy keeping tabs on those type of celebrities' lives, there will always be bimbos around for girls to emulate. I'm not sure though if it's mostly an "act" to be cute, as Pink says. I think some of these people are grade-A morons
Another thing to look at is that Hollywood and the music industry revolve around looks alot of times. If a girl has a beautiful image, she can exploit it all the way to the bank, without any need for intelligence. You are rewarded for being pretty and dumb.

Oh and the comment about guys liking dumber girls that everyone is getting offended by is somewhat true (unfortunately). As much as girls hate the fact, guys like girls who act ditsy because it's cute and funny (to a point, of course). I mean, check out that Pickler (sp?) girl on American Idol. She is obviously not that bright, but guys would totally marry her and she hasn't been voted off. When girls act intelligent, dominant, and strong-willed, guys interperate it as bitchy and get turned off. We are a pretty lazy bunch (well i think we are haha) so perhaps we enjoy not having much of a challenge when it comes to females, and naturally are just drawn to something that is more attractive physically than mentally. Maybe that is another reason why girls are copying the "Stupid Girls"

As for Pink? I can't stand her. I think it's funny that she disses on people who use an "image" to sell themselves and yet she herself is selling the image of the "outcast" "anti-popular" person fighting against the in-crowd to appeal to people like that. Pretty hypocritical. It's like, I dunno, gothic people or whatever who call everyone conformists while they follow their own little sub-culture of similarity. It's just annoying seeing people criticize how others act when they have just as much a right to be who they want as the ones criticizing in the first place do.
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Some girls want attention so much that they turn promiscous without knowing that this actually hurts their cause.
this is so true... the play the dumb sex kitten time after time. and they do this for two reasons.
One- role models
Two- it works for them, they achieve their desired result, male attention.

Despite the controversial debate above about the “dominate” sex, often younger boys, I’m talking teens and early twenties are also exposed to this idea the that dumb girls are the sexy ones. They can also fall into the trap that they are already a little unsure with girls in there life at this stage of growth, and it turns out that the dumb ones are far less challenging and perhaps easier to communicate with.

I think its it is a hard stereo-type to brake
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I have a few issues with the "stupid girl" thing

1) Pink isn't exactly in a position to really be calling people out on this. Sure, she has a pink mohawk and sings about how dumb Britney Spears is, but lets not forget this is the same woman that recorded..
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Get this party started on a Saturday night
Everybody's waitin for me to arrive
Sendin' out the message to all of my friends
We'll be lookin flashy in my Mercedes Benz
I got lotsa style, got my gold diamond rings
I can go for miles if you know what I mean
I'm comin' up so you better you better get this party started
I'm comin' up so you better you better get this party started
2) Like other public arenas - politics, religion, sports, the news - it's not the ones that are the most deserving, or the most representative of norms that get the attention, it's the ones that are the loudest and most controversial. I think total I've spent less than 10 minutes of my entire life wasting brain cells thinking about people like Paris, Jessica, Ashlee, Britney, etc. My friends and family are the same way. I've never met anyone who's been directly influenced by a "Stupid Girl".
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Well, the non-brainy chicks have the stupid girls to admire and emulate.
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Old 04-11-2006, 10:41 PM   #44
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Somewhat trivial, but I'll post it anyway for anyone who hasn't seen it. J.K Rowling wrote a response to Pink's 'Stupid Girls' on her website:

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Being thin. Probably not a subject that you ever expected to read about on this website, but my recent trip to London got me thinking...

It started in the car on the way to Leavesden film studios. I whiled away part of the journey reading a magazine that featured several glossy photographs of a very young woman who is either seriously ill or suffering from an eating disorder (which is, of course, the same thing); anyway, there is no other explanation for the shape of her body. She can talk about eating absolutely loads, being terribly busy and having the world's fastest metabolism until her tongue drops off (hooray! Another couple of ounces gone!), but her concave stomach, protruding ribs and stick-like arms tell a different story. This girl needs help, but, the world being what it is, they're sticking her on magazine covers instead. All this passed through my mind as I read the interview, then I threw the horrible thing aside.

But blow me down if the subject of girls and thinness didn't crop up shortly after I got out of the car. I was talking to one of the actors and, somehow or other, we got onto the subject of a girl he knows (not any of the Potter actresses – somebody from his life beyond the films) who had been dubbed 'fat' by certain charming classmates. (Could they possibly be jealous that she knows the boy in question? Surely not!)

'But,' said the actor, in honest perplexity, 'she is really not fat.'

'"Fat" is usually the first insult a girl throws at another girl when she wants to hurt her,' I said; I could remember it happening when I was at school, and witnessing it among the teenagers I used to teach. Nevertheless, I could see that to him, a well-adjusted male, it was utterly bizarre behaviour, like yelling 'thicko!' at Stephen Hawking.

His bemusement at this everyday feature of female existence reminded me how strange and sick the 'fat' insult is. I mean, is 'fat' really the worst thing a human being can be? Is 'fat' worse than 'vindictive', 'jealous', 'shallow', 'vain', 'boring' or 'cruel'? Not to me; but then, you might retort, what do I know about the pressure to be skinny? I'm not in the business of being judged on my looks, what with being a writer and earning my living by using my brain...

I went to the British Book Awards that evening. After the award ceremony I bumped into a woman I hadn't seen for nearly three years. The first thing she said to me? 'You've lost a lot of weight since the last time I saw you!'

'Well,' I said, slightly nonplussed, 'the last time you saw me I'd just had a baby.'

What I felt like saying was, 'I've produced my third child and my sixth novel since I last saw you. Aren't either of those things more important, more interesting, than my size?' But no – my waist looked smaller! Forget the kid and the book: finally, something to celebrate!

So the issue of size and women was (ha, ha) weighing on my mind as I flew home to Edinburgh the next day. Once up in the air, I opened a newspaper and my eyes fell, immediately, on an article about the pop star Pink.

Her latest single, 'Stupid Girls', is the antidote-anthem for everything I had been thinking about women and thinness. 'Stupid Girls' satirises the talking toothpicks held up to girls as role models: those celebrities whose greatest achievement is un-chipped nail polish, whose only aspiration seems to be getting photographed in a different outfit nine times a day, whose only function in the world appears to be supporting the trade in overpriced handbags and rat-sized dogs.

Maybe all this seems funny, or trivial, but it's really not. It's about what girls want to be, what they're told they should be, and how they feel about who they are. I've got two daughters who will have to make their way in this skinny-obsessed world, and it worries me, because I don't want them to be empty-headed, self-obsessed, emaciated clones; I'd rather they were independent, interesting, idealistic, kind, opinionated, original, funny – a thousand things, before 'thin'. And frankly, I'd rather they didn't give a gust of stinking chihuahua flatulence whether the woman standing next to them has fleshier knees than they do. Let my girls be Hermiones, rather than Pansy Parkinsons. Let them never be Stupid Girls. Rant over.
I'm not particularly impressed by either the aforementioned 'rant' or Pink's lyrics, but then I suspect I'm not the target audience that the song (or the rant, I suppose) is aimed at.
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While i agree, that this 'stupid girls' hysteria is real and great and i thank le gods im not anything like them, i disagree with the statement 'boys like girls to be less smart then them' and that all men like the pre pubescent ana look, or the paris hilton kewie porn star look because honestly, its not true.

SOME guys might like that, but you know what? There the guys IM (and other like me) arn't interested in. The chauvanistic pigs, men who "typically" are the jocks who probably need a really dumb girl because they arn't all smart anyway. The arrogant guys, who think they look like the next brad pitt, kissing their hot bodies and cam whoring themselves into oblivion. These are the guys who like those kinds of girls and vice versa. So although its a worrying thing for girls to not have role models, i still think its a "Type" of girl who acts that way.

I think it makes these girls more susseptable to be acting like this when you make genralisations about guys like that. I think we all know the "jock" of the school is going to end up with 5 kids out of wedlock and a drinking problem, while the funny kooky chess nerd is going to go on to college do something interesting with his life and be the most genuine sweet loving husband to some lucky girl (yes i genralised a bit, apologies hahaha)

But really, i dont want a man who would want a "stupid girl" i want a man who shudders at nicole ritchies prepubescent body, laughs his ass off everytime jessica opens her mouth and knows paris for what she really is white trash b grade porn star with credit cards. THATS my kind of man!!! A man who is interested in world affairs, knows where turkmenistan is and wants to see the world! Thats my boyfriend!
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