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California Proposition 8 decision tomorrow.
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CA Prop 8 held to be unconstitutional under due process and equal protection. Court enjoins enforcement of Prop 8... Will be released at 2 pm pst

this is the only way a reasonable jurist would rule

but, this most likely will go to the U S Supreme Court

and William Kennedy will have to decide if he wants to join the other 4 backward thinking conservatives and forever have this stain on his name, too.
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"Plaintiffs challenge Proposition 8 under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment," the judge wrote. "Each challenge is independently meritorious, as Proposition 8 both unconstitutionally burdens the exercise of the fundamental right to marry and creates an irrational classification on the basis of sexual orientation."

Vaughn added: "Plaintiffs seek to have the state recognize their committed relationships, and plaintiffs’ relationships are consistent with the core of the history, tradition and practice of marriage in the United States.“

Ultimately, the judge concluded that Proposition 8 "fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples. … Because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis, the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional.”]

Walker, an appointee of President George H.W. Bush, heard 16 witnesses summoned by opponents of Proposition 8 and two called by proponents during a 2½-week trial in January...
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and now, it really begins.
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first it goes to the 9th Circuit
and I can not see them over turning this ruling


then it goes to the U S Supreme Court,

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also let's note this decision was handed down by Judge Walker, appointed by GHW Bush and argued by Ted Olson, G W Bush' Solicitor General.

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Each challenge is independently meritorious, as Proposition 8 both unconstitutionally burdens the exercise of the fundamental right to marry and creates an irrational classification on the basis of sexual orientation.
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SCOTUS could also refuse to hear it.

they may well do that.
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I think this court will take it

do you think they will want it to stand?
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I think this court will take it

do you think they will want it to stand?


they may not want another Roe v Wade on their hands.

and by that i mean the sociopolitical repercussions of the ruling.

then again, Roberts is on some sort of warpath, so maybe.

it's quite clear that Olsen/Boies demolished the opposition, i see no reason why they can't do the same.

here's more from Walker:

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Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite- sex couples are superior to same-sex couples. Because California has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis, the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional."

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"Plaintiffs have demonstrated by overwhelming evidence that Proposition 8 violates their due process and equal protection rights and that they will continue to suffer these constitutional violations until state officials cease enforcement of Proposition 8. California is able to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, as it has already issued 18,000 marriage licenses to same- sex couples and has not suffered any demonstrated harm as a result, see FF 64-66; moreover, California officials have chosen not to defend Proposition 8 in these proceedings."

“Because Proposition 8 is unconstitutional under both the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses, the court orders entry of judgment permanently enjoining its enforcement; prohibiting the official defendants from applying or enforcing Proposition 8 and directing the official defendants that all persons under their control or supervision shall not apply or enforce Proposition 8.”
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