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Old 10-23-2005, 06:41 AM   #16
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That's interesting...so the state does not provide its own training?

Sounds like you have the right philosophy about how to make good use of being the Big Guy without abusing that power. It is undeniably true (spoken with chagrin!) that children are often quicker to grant authority to an adult with a commanding physical presence.

You aren't in fact also a minister, are you?

Apparently, this principal of mine had been very popular as a minister (a field he retuned to later) in no small part because congregations responded positively to that commanding presence. In fact, my own brother who was in the Air Force is now a rabbi...though it has to be said his persona is more that of the stereotypical brainiac "soft male" associated with rabbis , and he is not physically imposing, either. Funny how these cultural ideals (mensch vs. "manly," etc.) can enter into even our expectations for religious leadership. Then again, my own rabbi is a woman (I believe your minister [?] is too?) but there too, I think cultural expectations can enter into it. Anyway, I'm just prattling now so...back to work.
I am a registered minister in the Universal CHurch of Life....But...I only publicize it here and to friends. I have renewed someone's marriage vows.
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Old 10-23-2005, 06:44 AM   #17
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The school I just left as a teacher is the school the town sends many students who present characteristics on the autistic spectrum....

There was one little guy, who was four who could name all of the Presidents, the year they were born & died, and tell you if they were on a paper bill.

I wonder what other skills he will develop as time goes on.
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I agree teachers should have more rights in regards to discipline. In my opinion the children and parents are running the schools and teachers have very little control over their classrooms. This is why children are not learning. It is not because the teachers are bad teachers. When I taught, I ran a well organized classroom. However, I got to the point where I was sick of dealing with loud, rude, and disrespectful kids as well as parents who placed little importance on learning. I began to feel like I was spending half my day teaching behavior instead of academics.
True, I work at a privite high school...we as teacher feel like we have little control over the kids at times...and most of the time we get no or little support from the parents. Its very frustrating....I am sick of spending half the class dealing with rude disrespectful students. Although problem kids don't last long at my school it doesn't help us feel better when they get kicked out either I don't know....its kinda comforting to know others feel the same way.
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My sister is in her last year of school for her teaching degree, and she had recently started her requirements of spending time in a classroom. She was placed in a second grade class. A couple weeks ago she was in the class and the teacher gave the students a spelling test. When it was over, the teacher had to leave the room and asked my sister to take up the papers. One of the students told my sis that a girl was cheating. This girl had gotten her spelling book out and was erasing and correcting all her mistakes. So my sis asked her what she was doing. The little girl flipped out, threw the spelling book at my sis, and started screaming at the top of her lungs. All kinds of mess, including "I hate you!" I can see an older child being unruly, but a second grader?? I think the teacher made the child apologize, then threw her test paper away and had her re-do it.
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My sister is in her last year of school for her teaching degree, and she had recently started her requirements of spending time in a classroom. She was placed in a second grade class. A couple weeks ago she was in the class and the teacher gave the students a spelling test. When it was over, the teacher had to leave the room and asked my sister to take up the papers. One of the students told my sis that a girl was cheating. This girl had gotten her spelling book out and was erasing and correcting all her mistakes. So my sis asked her what she was doing. The little girl flipped out, threw the spelling book at my sis, and started screaming at the top of her lungs. All kinds of mess, including "I hate you!" I can see an older child being unruly, but a second grader?? I think the teacher made the child apologize, then threw her test paper away and had her re-do it.
What you are describing here is not uncommon. I understand that the perception it is unreal that this child could be acting this way, however..........

We are teaching in a time where the pressure is to NOT pull students out of the classroom if there are learning issues. We are in the economic situation where students who were once placed in special programs are not because out of district placements cost lots of money. We are in a time, where administrators and teachers have to document document document to record data to even begin to make a case for the child to receive any kind of service outside of the classroom environment. We are in a time, where children may need a one on one aid to meet with success in the classroom, yet, budget constraaints prevent the school from providing these resources.

What you are describing is not uncommon in a second grade classroom. Not at all. I have seen and delt with worse in kindergarten and first grade.
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