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Old 02-07-2002, 11:22 AM   #1
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Rush Limbaugh: "His Highness" Speaks on the Environment

Chlorofluorocarbons and Ozone Depletion:

RUSH FICTION:

Limbaugh proposes that environmental "alarmists and prophets of
doom" have exaggerated the problem of ozone depletion,
suggesting that it has been limited to "occasional reduced levels of
ozone over Antarctica."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Substantially reduced levels of ozone have been measured over most of the globe, including North America, Europe, and elsewhere. In fact, scientists have observed a thinning of the ozone layer at all latitudes outside the tropics. By 1991, the depletion over North America averaged nearly 5 percent. Since 1991, ozone depletion has further intensified.

RUSH FICTION:

"Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines spewed forth more than a thousand times the amount of ozone-depleting chemicals in one eruption than all the fluorocarbons manufactured by wicked, diabolical, and insensitive corporations in history. . . . Conclusion: mankind can't possibly equal the output of even one eruption from
Pinatubo, much less billion years' worth, so how can we destroy ozone?"

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Limbaugh's numbers are completely off-base. Volcanoes emit two sorts of ozone-depleting compounds. One is hydrochloric acid, but
the amount of this chemical in the stratosphere, measured before and after Pinatubo's eruption in 1991, was found to be largely unchanged.

The other ozone-depleting chemical emitted by Pinatubo, sulfur dioxide, is converted in the stratosphere into tiny particles which, acting in combination with man-made chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's), temporarily increased the rate of ozone depletion by several percentage points during 1992 and 1993. Nevertheless, nearly all the particles resulting from the Mt. Pinatubo eruption have already washed out of the atmosphere, unlike CFC's, which remain
in the stratosphere for as long as a century.

Cumulatively speaking, Pinatubo's destructive effect on the ozone layer has been about fifty times less than that of CFC's, rather than a thousand times greater, as Limbaugh claims. Thus, his estimate is off by a factor of fifty thousand.

RUSH FICTION:

What "environmental wackos . . . really want to do is attack our way of life" in the effort to limit CFC's. "Their primary enemy: capitalism."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Limbaugh ignores the fact that the conservative Reagan administration signed onto the Montreal Protocol, the international agreement to restrict CFC's, and that crucial support for the measure came from some of the largest manufacturers of these chemicals, who, like Ronald Reagan, are hardly enemies of capitalism. Although many of these corporations initially resisted action when the ozone problem was discovered, Dupont, Allied
Signal, and other domestic producers of CFC's have long favored strong restrictions concerning their production and use. Indeed,
Dupont proposed a global ban of CFC's before European or United States governments did.

RUSH FICTION:

"In just one day in January [1992], NASA measured the amount of chlorine and another gas in the atmosphere of the Northern
Hemisphere and found an unusually high level compared to normal. . . . There were headlines for days about an ozone hole in the atmosphere above North America. Senator Al Gore . . . predicted that President Bush would soon come around on all this because of the 'ozone hole over Kennebunkport,' despite the fact there was no such thing. . . . Within a few weeks, it was learned that most of the unusual measurements could be attributed to Mount Pinatubo's eruption, a fact the agenda-oriented scientific community attempted
to ignore."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Limbaugh's last statement is absolutely false. The measurements to which he refers, of extremely high levels of chlorine monoxide, were made by NASA only six months after Pinatubo's eruption and in a particular region of the Arctic stratosphere that was at the time unaffected by the volcanic emissions. Furthermore, large amounts of these chemicals were measured throughout the month of January, not just on one day, as Limbaugh asserts.

As for the rest, the condition of the ozone layer in January of 1992 was a great deal more complex than Limbaugh's account would
suggest. Indeed, many scientists were disturbed by the high chlorine monoxide levels. For a very large depletion to occur, however, the Arctic stratosphere would have had to remain cold for several more weeks, as it often does that time of year. Instead, a sudden warming occurred the following month, so the damage to
the ozone layer never became as severe as originally feared. If it had, the depletion might well have reached 20 to 30 percent in the lower stratosphere, rather than the 10 to 15 percent that was
recorded. Indeed, such large depletions could occur over parts of Northern Europe and Canada during any winter, and may do so in the future.

In his most recent book, See, I Told You So, Limbaugh returns to the subject of ozone depletion. This time, he discusses the
implications of a possible prehistoric supernova that may have damaged the atmosphere:

RUSH FICTION:

"Scientists say a supernova 340,000 years ago disrupted 10 percent to 20 percent of the ozone layer, causing sunburn in
prehistoric man. Wait a minute - I thought only man could destroy the ozone. . . . And if prehistoric man merely got a sunburn, how is it that we are going to destroy the ozone layer with our air conditioners and underarm deodorants and cause everybody to get cancer? Obviously we're not...and we can't ...and it's a hoax."


SCIENTIFIC FACT:

The report of a prehistoric supernova exploding close enough to the Earth to have possibly affected its ozone layer, thousands of years ago, though of doubtful relevance to Limbaugh's argument, was
published in the British journal Nature and followed up by the New York Times in 1993. As quoted in the Times, Dr. Neil Gehrels, one of the authors of the report, clearly did not mean to minimize the possibility that the ozone loss that may have resulted would have damaged whatever forms of life were roaming the planet. Indeed, he was reported as saying that the effects of such an ozone depletion may well "have impaired the health of human beings and other creatures..."

RUSH FICTION:

"Even The Washington Post - that haven of liberal mythology - published a front-page story on April 15, 1993, that dismissed most
of the fears about the so-called ozone hole... had this to say: 'In fact, researchers say the problem appears to be heading toward solution before they can find any solid evidence that serious harm
was or is being done.'"

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Limbaugh neglects to mention that the problem of ozone depletion appears to be heading towards solution only as a result of
international agreements to restrict the production and use of CFC's. Thanks to these agreements, the ozone layer should return to near-normal levels around the year 2045. Before 1998, however, stratospheric ozone is expected to become thinner every year, and the amount of ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth to
increase, assuming other influences remain constant.

Although the consequences of increased ultraviolet exposure for plants and marine life are just beginning to be explored, the
damage to humans from long-term exposure is well known. In many parts of the globe, ozone depletion is likely to cause a rise in
rates of skin cancer, particularly non-melanoma cancers, which, due to lifestyle factors, are already at record levels.

RUSH FICTION:

"A few days later, the authoritative journal Science published a story headlined 'Ozone Takes Nose Dive After the Eruption of Mt. Pinatubo.' It pointed out that the ozone layer should show significant signs of recovery by 1994. But have you heard Algore (sic) or any other ozone alarmist step up and admit that he or she perpetuated (sic) a fraud on the American people?"

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Indeed, the ozone layer did not thin as much in 1994 as it did in 1993, due to the washing out of emissions from Mount Pinatubo
(see above). Nevertheless, as Science magazine pointed out in a recent issue, this improvement is only temporary, since levels of "atmospheric chlorine will continue to increase until controls on
CFC emissions take hold late in this decade. Pinatubo or no, things will get worse."

Global Warming and the Greenhouse Effect

Global warming is another topic about which Limbaugh attempts to mislead his readers, despite the international scientific consensus on many aspects of this issue. This consensus is reflected in the findings of the top researchers in the field, as published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, and the conclusions of the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the international scientific panel assessing climate change, which consists of a network of 2,500 experts worldwide. The IPCC has issued two reports clearly stating and then reaffirming that the Earth's climate will warm due to the buildup of man-made greenhouse gases. In 1992, the National Academy of Sciences published its own report, concluding that "greenhouse warming poses a potential threat sufficient to merit prompt responses."

Instead of taking on the international scientific community directly, however, Limbaugh chooses to attack Vice-President Al Gore, and his book Earth in the Balance.

RUSH FICTION:

"Algore's (sic) book is full of calculated disinformation. For instance, he claims that 98 percent of scientists believe global
warming is taking place. However a Gallup poll of scientists involved in global climate research shows that 53 percent do not believe that global warming has occurred, 30 percent say they don't
know, and only 17 percent are devotees of this dubious theory."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

These numbers, apparently lifted from a George Will syndicated column of September 3, 1992, are supposed to reflect the
findings of a Gallup poll taken in late 1991 to ascertain the opinions of research scientists concerning global warming. Even though polling is of doubtful relevance for determining the scientific truth of any proposition, it should be pointed out that nowhere in the actual poll results are there figures that resemble those cited by Will or Limbaugh.

Instead, the Gallup poll found that a substantial majority of the scientists polled, 66 percent, believed that human-induced global warming was already occurring. Only 10 percent disagreed, and
the remainder were undecided.

Moreover, the 98 percent figure appears in the context of Al Gore's book to refer to the percentage of scientists who believe that human-induced global warming is a legitimate threat, not, as Limbaugh frames it, to the number of those who argue that it is already in effect. In fact, the Gallup poll seems to bear out Gore's
estimate as well, finding that only 2 percent of the scientists polled believed that there was no chance that substantial, human-caused warming will occur over the next fifty to one hundred years.

RUSH FICTION:

"Algore told the Washington Times on May 19, 1993: 'That increased accumulations of greenhouse gases, particularly CO2,
cause global warming, there is no longer any serious debate. There are a few naysayers far outside the consensus who try to dispute that. They are not really taken seriously by the mainstream scientific community.' Yet we saw in the last chapter that there is nothing resembling a consensus on this issue among scientists who
have some expertise in this area. In fact, a majority clearly does not believe global warming has occurred."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

See the preceding item. Furthermore, even the most publicized and vehement of scientific naysayers, such as Pat Michaels of the University of Virginia, agree that increased accumulation of carbon dioxide will eventually cause global warming. What they disagree about is how much warming will occur over what period of time.

RUSH FICTION:

"...back at the time of the first Earth Day, the big concern wasn't global warming, it was global cooling. . . . the view of
most environmentalists for years after."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Although the Earth has warmed by about one degree Fahrenheit over the past hundred years, this warming has not occurred
uniformly. In particular, during the period from 1940 to 1970, the Northern Hemisphere stopped warming and may have even cooled slightly. This hiatus in the long-term trend contributed to concerns that the Earth was about to cool significantly, possibly due to the increased amount of soot and other particulates in the atmosphere.

However, warming resumed again in the 1970's and the nine warmest years on record have all occurred since 1980. Recent
calculations indicate that the greenhouse effect will outrun the effects of particulate cooling in the future, although the accumulation of particulates in the atmosphere may slow the overall
rate of warming.

RUSH FICTION:

"A fact you never hear the environmentalist wacko crowd acknowledge is that 96 percent of the so-called 'greenhouse' gases are not created by man, but by nature."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

This is an obvious straw man set up by Limbaugh. It is true that the greenhouse effect is, by and large, a natural phenomenon, produced by gases in the atmosphere such as carbon dioxide and
water vapor that have warmed the Earth for eons, making its climate moderate enough to support life as we know it. Without
these gases, Earth would be forty to sixty degrees colder, essentially a frigid desert.

However, in nature these gases usually remain in balance, leading to a stable climate, while the greenhouse gases added by humans over the last two hundred years have accumulated to the point that
the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, for example, is now more than 25 percent above what it had been for the previous 10,000 years. (Scientists have direct evidence of this data, from
measurements of air bubbles trapped in polar ice cores.) The
scientific consensus is that the accumulation of carbon dioxide and other gases due to human activity will alter the climate substantially, warming the globe by three to eight degrees Fahrenheit over the
next century.

Forests and the Spotted Owl

One of the most contentious of current political debates concerns the old-growth forests in the Northwest. Limbaugh
addresses this issue in See, I Told You So by citing mostly irrelevant statistics on tree growth in the United States as a whole:

RUSH FICTION:

"Would it surprise you to learn, for instance, that America's forests are much healthier today in the 1990s than they were at the turn of the century? In fact, you could say that in the last seventy years
America's forests have been reborn. There are 730 million acres of forest land in our country today, and the growth on those acres is denser than at any time. . . . New England has more forested acres than it did in the mid-1800s. Vermont is twice as forested as it was then. Almost half of the densely populated northeastern United
States is covered by forest. Why? How could this be? If we are ravaging our land, as the environmentalists suggest, why are there more trees around -- more forests?"

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Here, it seems, Limbaugh cannot see the forests for all those trees. It is true that due to the abandonment of farming, there has been a regeneration of forests in the northeastern United States over the
past century, although not with all the species they originally contained.

Instead, environmentalists' primary concern during the last decade has been the rampant destruction of old-growth forests, particularly in the Northwest, where ancient trees were being cut down at an
unprecedented rate, leaving only about 11 to 14 percent of the original forests still standing.

RUSH FICTION:

"What the environmentalists are saying, in effect, is that some trees are better than others. Trees that have been planted by man
are not as worthy or valuable as those that grow in 'virgin' forests. What is a virgin forest anyway? Most trees live for only a couple of hundred years and then die. No tree lives forever."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Virgin forests are forests untouched by humans. In the Northwest, they are mostly old-growth forests, featuring towering
stands of trees, 200 to over 1,000 years old. These trees are known to harbor a number of endangered or threatened species,
among them (but not limited to) the Northern spotted owl. Which brings us to Limbaugh's next point:

RUSH FICTION:

"It reminds me of the researchers who recently ventured into the forests of California. Do you know what they found? No, not Algore. They found spotted owls. It seems the place is teeming with spotted owls - even though they're supposed to be an
endangered species."

SCIENTIFIC FACT:

Fewer than two thousand pairs of the Northern spotted owl are thought to survive in California forests -- a number that could hardly be described as "teeming". Even more importantly, at a meeting of experts called by the U.S. government in December 1993 at Fort Collins, Colorado, virtually every biologist who presented data
concluded that the total numbers of the owl are still in decline.

Moreover, the population loss rate appears to be accelerating.

On the whole, Limbaugh dealt with this issue more honestly in his first book, The Way Things Ought to Be, when he asserted, "If the owl can't adapt to the superiority of humans, screw it. . . ."

Blasphemy! (searching for Limbaugh argument point #2)

Melon

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well I don't listen to Limbaugh on a regular basis, so I'm not aware of everything he says, but it's so reassuring to know that he speaks on these issues with the uttmost accuracy and integrity

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The nice thing about radio talk is that you can turn/change the channel. Or you could go and write a 5000 word essay on why you are so self absorbed and correct. And you are oblivious of the impression it creates of you: "hey look at me I'm smart and your'e not so come and kiss my ass again"

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so the HORROR, if someone is wrong about something and tell it as fact to millions of people, if someone knows that what this person is saying is inaccurate, they should just not listen anymore and let them go on telling misinformation... great logic, you could be a up for a cabinet post
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Dearest the HORROR,

Do you just read my mind or something? But I must state that I am disappointed that you have resorted to such a potty mouth using the word "a$$." Oh I feel dirty just writing that. Try and be more clean in the future, okay?

But, in reading this article, "melon" is an obvious communist. Where is he??? I want to give him a piece of my mind. I'm sure he's out trying to export communism around the world. Hopefully, he'll end up like that Ché Guevara guy. Ick. I feel dirty just writing his cursed name.

But Rush Limbaugh is right. Global warming is the largest scam perpetrated since the National Park Service blocked Reagan's head from going on Mount Rushmore...twice. I blame global warming on the damn government eliminating sulfur dioxide emissions. We used to have that symbiotic balance. Carbon dioxide to heat the world up, and sulfur dioxide to cool it down. But then those Commie environmentalists made up that "acid rain" crap. Where was it? I never saw my trees rot from their branches!

Wanderer, despite your obvious acidic sarcasm, you are correct. I think the HORROR would be a great addition to Bush's cabinet. We need someone with a no-nonsense, matter-of-fact, "I don't know what" attitude. I think he'd fit right in.

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Thus my point is proven once again by way of your condescending attitude in that rather covert post:

[...,"I don't know what" attitude. ...]

That reveals your arrogance that I spoke of earlier. I am not the simple cretin of your wishes, I just fail to see the need to try and show my arse in detail every sentence.
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Dearest the HORROR,

I believe you have misunderstood the "I don't know what" attitude I wrote of. In French, I believe it is "Je ne sais quoi," which I believe is a compliment. But I am horribly anti-French. Dirty communists. Why doesn't everyone just speak English, for Pete's sake???

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There is a lot of "english" I would enjoy speaking to you (for pete's sake), but I am still new and I don't want to be in trouble with the administrators or mods or whatever.

Just that you know I DO appreciate and understand your sarcasm, as much as I choke on the scent of it will do me fine.

Some day you might grow up to realize your "big ideals" sounded good at the time, but held you back becoming grand failures because you could no longer maintain your pedestal.
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Originally posted by The Wanderer:
so the HORROR, if someone is wrong about something and tell it as fact to millions of people, if someone knows that what this person is saying is inaccurate, they should just not listen anymore and let them go on telling misinformation... great logic, you could be a up for a cabinet post
Thank you Wanderer for your support, my response to Melon/whore/GOP whatever is not based solely on the fact that I am a republican. In fact I listen to Limbaugh only occasionally for "balance" and would never give the man any more credibility than that of a radio talk show host, which puts him in the same category as Howard Stern as far as I'm concerned.

My point is that he is being used as another excuse for a liberal to try and trash conservatives and our values. And I mean trash in the most unsuspecting way. They will do anything to derail the current high road we are on, and the garbage written by this 'Melon' person is typical of the liberal who carries on with the public reproach of our country and our imperfect society while profiting from our wonderful opportunities.

As a well traveled individual who has lived abroad, I can only say Americans have it good and shouldn't constantly complain about their government and spew venom and propaganda the way this 'Melon' does.

My gratitude however for your input

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*pulls out the Nader card on this one*
Ahem, Mr. Limbaugh *cough* you suck! *cough*, the point is, volcano eruptions do NOT harm our environment. Nature takes care of itself quite nicely. The point is, nature combining with man made CFC's depletes the ozone layer, thus killing you. And me I suppose, but him first ok? If we would get rid of all the CFC's we are presently using we wouldn't make it worse. Let us end pollution and save our lives!

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Originally posted by the HORROR:
My point is that he is being used as another excuse for a liberal to try and trash conservatives and our values. And I mean trash in the most unsuspecting way. They will do anything to derail the current high road we are on, and the garbage written by this 'Melon' person is typical of the liberal who carries on with the public reproach of our country and our imperfect society while profiting from our wonderful opportunities.
Funny. You jumped in at the wrong time, the HORROR. I haven't posted crap like this in months, whereas, since September 11th, we've been inundated with the evils of Michael Moore, Barbara Lee, Norman Mailer, and Noam Chomsky. I agree that posts like this are completely stupid, and I normally try to argue on factual bases, but I was very tired of the constant and regular liberal bashing that was going on in this forum. Being the "nice guy" doesn't get you anywhere it seems. You obviously don't like these conservative bashing posts, and I cannot stand the liberal bashing posts.

Now it seems that the liberal bashing posts are levelling off. If that continues, then this post, and all those I posted, should fall into oblivion. But if they start up again, expect more partisanship from my end.

BTW, you don't know me at all, so don't even pretend to think that you do.

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Funny. You jumped in at the wrong time, the HORROR. I haven't posted crap like this in months,

BTW, you don't know me at all, so don't even pretend to think that you do.

Melon

I realize I am new to the forum and haven't posted very much but I have been an avid reader for months now.

I do not pretend that I know you, I feel however that you are more revealing than you think.

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Thanks for the post. Those facts could come in handy...

For further proof that Limbaugh is a moron, read Al Franken's "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot", and/or Rush Limbaugh's "The Way Things Ought to Be"
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read Al Franken's "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot"
LOL! That sounds like a serious piece of literature!
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