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Old 10-25-2004, 08:20 PM   #46
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The NY Times is the real October surprise. Take one part old news, mix liberally and serve just before the election.

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Rant all you want about liberal bias.

Those 380 tonnes of explosives = roughly 1 car bomb a day for 200 years.

But hey, let's keep quibbling about how the big bad media hates Bush or hates Kerry or hates whoever. That is the important thing here.


ooops!

it seems they were gone before the military got there....

“April 10, 2003, only three weeks into the war, NBC News was embedded with troops from the Army's 101st Airborne as they temporarily take over the Al Qakaa weapons installation south of Baghdad. But these troops never found the nearly 380 tons of some of the most powerful conventional explosives, called HMX and RDX, which is now missing. The U.S. troops did find large stockpiles of more conventional weapons, but no HMX or RDX, so powerful less than a pound brought down Pan Am 103 in 1988, and can be used to trigger a nuclear weapon. In a letter this month, the Iraqi interim government told the International Atomic Energy Agency the high explosives were lost to theft and looting due to lack of security. Critics claim there were simply not enough U.S. troops to guard hundreds of weapons stockpiles, weapons now being used by insurgents and terrorists to wage a guerrilla war in Iraq.” (NBC’s “Nightly News,” 10/25/04)

might these be the weapons that went over to Syria before the war started? Wasn't it reported that a convoy trucks were seen via satelite headed to Syria?

Do you think NY Times will follow up with this info above the fold in tomorrow's edition? How about CNN, who has mentioned it a least 50x today?
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Do you think NY Times will follow up with this info above the fold in tomorrow's edition? How about CNN, who has mentioned it a least 50x today?
Above the fold? Maybe page C-11. Here is the full scoop on this from drudge:

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON OCT 25 2004 22:45:05 ET XXXXX

NBCNEWS: HUGE CACHE OF EXPLOSIVES VANISHED FROM SITE IN IRAQ -- AT LEAST 18 MONTHS AGO -- BEFORE TROOPS ARRIVED

The NYTIMES urgently reported on Monday in an apprent October Surprise: The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives are now missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.

Jumping on the TIMES exclusive, Dem presidential candidate John Kerry blasted the Bush administration for its failure to "guard those stockpiles."

"This is one of the great blunders of Iraq, one of the great blunders of this administration," Kerry said.

In an election week rush:

**ABCNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 4 Times
**CBSNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 7 Times
**MSNBC Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 37 Times
**CNN Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 50 Times

But tonight, NBCNEWS reported: The 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives were already missing back in April 10, 2003 -- when U.S. troops arrived at the installation south of Baghdad!

An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.

According to NBCNEWS, the HMX and RDX explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.

The TIMES left the impression the weapons site had been looted of its explosives recently, and since Iraq has been under US control.

The TIMES reported: "The huge facility, called Al Qaqaa, was supposed to be under American military control but is now a no man's land, still picked over by looters as recently as Sunday."

[In a fresh Page One story set for Tuesday on the matter, the TIMES once again omits any reference to troops not finding any explosives at the site when they arrived in April of 2003. Attempts to reach managing editor Jill Abramson late Monday were unsuccessful.]

"The U.S. Army was at the site one day after the liberation and the weapons were already gone," a top Republican blasted from Washington late Monday.

The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors last saw the explosives in January 2003 when they took an inventory and placed fresh seals on the bunkers.

Dem vp hopeful John Edwards blasted Bush for not securing the explosives: "It is reckless and irresponsible to fail to protect and safeguard one of the largest weapons sites in the country. And by either ignoring these mistakes or being clueless about them, George Bush has failed. He has failed as our commander in chief; he has failed as president."

A senior Bush official e-mailed DRUDGE late Monday: "Let me get this straight, are Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards now saying we did not go into Iraq soon enough? We should have invaded and liberated Iraq sooner?"

Top Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart fired back Monday night: "In a shameless attempt to cover up its failure to secure 380 tons of highly explosive material in Iraq, the White House is desperately flailing in an effort to escape blame. Instead of distorting John Kerry’s words, the Bush campaign is now falsely and deliberately twisting the reports of journalists. It is the latest pathetic excuse from an administration that never admits a mistake, no matter how disastrous."

Developing...
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The Iraqi Governing Council

that the Bush Administration put in
says they were looted after invasion.

Drudge has proven to be a bias unreliable source


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Iraqi officials reported to the International Atomic Energy Agency -- the U.N. monitoring group -- earlier this month that the explosives were looted after April 9, 2003, when U.S. forces entered Baghdad. IAEA officials verified the explosives were still at the site and under seal in January 2003, the last time the inspectors were there.

The IAEA had been monitoring the material -- known as HMX and RDX -- as part of the U.N. inspections program following the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

The agency had issued numerous warnings about the explosives falling into the wrong hands, before and after the U.S. invasion. Pentagon officials said that while U.S. troops searched the facility on several occasions during and after the invasion, the facility was not high on U.S. commanders’ list of key sites to guard because survey teams found no nuclear or biological weapons at Al Qaqaa, a collection of 87 buildings and underground bunkers 30 miles south of Baghdad.

Asked if U.S. troops were ever ordered to guard the facility, where Saddam built conventional warheads and where the IAEA dismantled parts of his nuclear program after the Gulf War, one Defense official responded, “Not that I’m aware of.”

David Kay, the CIA’s former chief weapons hunter in Iraq, said he believes the material was looted in the immediate aftermath of the war.

“I saw (the facility) in May (of 2003) and it was heavily looted at that time,” Kay said. “Sometime between April and May most of the stuff was carried off. The site was in total disarray, just like a lot of the Iraqi sites.”

Kay said that the stolen HMX and RDX are “superb explosives for terrorists” because they are stable compounds that can be transported safely and used for large-scale attacks.

Both HMX and RDX “would be good for a car bomb or a truck bomb,” Kay said. “Just pack it together with a detonator.”

The U.S. failure to guard hundreds of ammunition depots in the wake of the Iraq invasion has been well documented. Top military officials in Iraq believe that weapons taken from these sites have armed an insurgency still killing U.S. forces almost daily. More than 1,100 U.S. troops have been killed since the invasion.

The explosive power of the stolen material -- just a half pound of HMX brought down the Pan Am 103 flight over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 -- has officials particularly worried.

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One could same about the New York Times (Jason Blair) and CBS (Rathergate).
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The Iraqi Governing Council

that the Bush Administration put in
says they were looted after invasion.

Drudge has proven to be a bias unreliable source
Before we do the old bash the messanger, ignore the message dance, read the info from CNN
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NB wins again

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Before we do the old bash the messanger, ignore the message dance, read the info from CNN

i read that article



from the link you posted


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In a letter to the IAEA dated October 10, Iraq's director of planning, Mohammed Abbas, said the material disappeared sometime after Saddam's regime fell in April 2003, which he attributed to "the theft and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security."

Baghdad fell on April 9, 2003. According to NBC, troops from the 101st Airborne arrived the next day to find that the material was already gone.

Prior to the Iraq war, the high-grade explosives at Al Qaqaa had been under the control of IAEA inspectors because the material could be used as a component in a nuclear weapon, IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said. IAEA and other U.N. inspectors left the country in March 2003 before the fighting began on March 19.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Monday that five days after the IAEA received the letter from the Iraqi government, the agency alerted U.S. officials in Vienna, who in turn told National Security Director Condoleezza Rice. She then alerted Bush, McClellan said.

Once U.S. officials were alerted, the multinational force in Iraq and the Iraq Survey Group, charged with hunting for weapons in Iraq, were both ordered to investigate what was missing and the possible circumstances, according to State Department spokesman Adam Ereli.

"We, from the very beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, did everything we could to secure arms caches throughout the country," Ereli said. "But given the number of arms and the number of caches and the extent of militarization of Iraq, it was impossible to provide 100 percent security for 100 percent of the sites, quite frankly."
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You haven´t read the details. Consider that according to msnbc, the IAEA got the info on 10/10. Consider that the site was under U.S. military control.

Consider, only consider! that the UN is not the IAEA - the IAEA is part of the UN though - and consider - just consider once! - to stop your paranoia about this organisation just because it didn´t authorize Bush to do a preemptive strike due to nuclear weapons that weren´t found up until the present day.

The United nations is not the Soviet Union, it´s not Cuba, it´s not against U.S. politicians. Just stop your conspiracy theories, they don´t lead anywhere. It´s ridiculous to flame the U.N., considering - just considering! - that the U.S. is still part of it. The U.S. is also part of the Security Council. The IAEA in Vienna has very good relations with the U.N. headquarters in NYC.
Consider the part of the article you didn't quote:

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the International Atomic Energy Agency said that the explosives had been looted from the sprawling Al-Qaqaa military base, about 30 miles south of Baghdad, since January 2003 due to a “lack of security” at the former Iraqi military facility.
It was disappearing before the war! The UN took responsibility for this material since 1991. And to release a letter saying they "just discovered" the disappearance is irresponsible.
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Consider the part of the article you didn't quote:

It was disappearing before the war! The UN took responsibility for this material since 1991. And to release a letter saying they "just discovered" the disappearance is irresponsible.
Clicked the link, read the story. Well the timing remains a mystery. Nobody seems to know if it disappeared before the war or after that or in between.

I agree with you; if it happened when the IAEA had to guard it, it was not guarded properly by the IAEA. If it happened when the U.S. had to guard it, it wasn´t properly guarded by the U.S.
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Timing is plain and simple, CBS wanted to run a shocking story about the incompetence of the Bush administration on 60 minutes right before the election by running a story with "unimpeachable" sources only this time it may well explode because the NYT ran the thing early and the other media outlets have at least half a brain and now question these "shocking revelations' before burying themselves any deeper.
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I guess CBS didn't learn anything from the false memo Dan Rather promoted. If there was a plan to air this misleading story right before the election, CBS has lost what ever credibility they had left.
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The Pajamujahadeen Will Be Victorious In Their Jihad Against The MSM!
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Timing is plain and simple, CBS wanted to run a shocking story about the incompetence of the Bush administration on 60 minutes right before the election by running a story with "unimpeachable" sources only this time it may well explode because the NYT ran the thing early and the other media outlets have at least half a brain and now question these "shocking revelations' before burying themselves any deeper.
Didn't that network and dan rather get slapped hard enough already?

Do they ever learn?
Well my fellow leftie friends ever learn?

Geez enough already

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Careful, we are not allowed to suggest a liberal bias. Otherwise we are only re-enforcing certain stereotypes of conservatives. Please disregard facts to the contrary.
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Careful, we are not allowed to suggest a liberal bias. Otherwise we are only re-enforcing certain stereotypes of conservatives. Please disregard facts to the contrary.
NB,
Do you think next the lefties will start blaming Karl Rove for planting false evidence thus making them look like bafoons?

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