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Old 12-12-2006, 10:12 PM   #16
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If you read this board, you will see that in the last week or so, STING has repeatedly (ad nauseum I might add) asserted that there is no point to even running against McCain. And that Obama certainly has no chance against him.
If someone like Obama doesn't have a chance against a guy who made a commencement speech at Jerry Falwell's school last year we're in all sorts of trouble.
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Obama is very intriguing to me lately. I just got his book the other day, haven't started it yet...
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Old 12-13-2006, 01:58 AM   #18
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I would vote for Obama. If he ran for President, who would be a good VP?
Either someone with tons of executive experience such as Richardson or someone with tons of international experience such as Clark. Bottom line: someone with tons of experience, period. I love Obama, but I'm terrified of the perceptions on his lack of experience, especially agaisnt someone like McCain.
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Bill O'Reilly. Such a good person.
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:12 AM   #20
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Obama is very intriguing to me lately. I just got his book the other day, haven't started it yet...
Which one? I recently finished Dreams From My Father and thought it was excellent. I'll probably get his latest after the new year.

I'm fully prepared to vote for this man if he runs in 2008, unless Hillary gives me good cause not to. She has the Clinton name, which has all that sentimentality attached to it, but if Obama keeps going the way he's been going, that's going to be impossible to beat.
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I'm fully prepared to vote for this man if he runs in 2008, unless Hillary gives me good cause not to.
The Democrats putting Hillary Clinton on the ballot would be tantamount to political suicide. She's so divisive and has such a loaded past that I severely doubt she can reach many true independents.

An Obama-Edwards or Obama-Clark ticket would be nearly unstoppable, barring a major gaffe on Barack's part.

This is heartening. The two leading Democratic candidates are a woman and a multi-racial guy who's got some of the smartest ideas this side of JFK. This is the closest either group's ever been to the Presidency. What a step forward for the nation it would be if it were actually to happen.

I don't know if America is actually ready to elect a minority or a woman to the Presidency yet, and it may be the case that either candidate would be rejected based simply on who they are. Republicans seem to have a knack for that, though.

Either way, the idea of a non-white male winning the White House in my lifetime now seems like a very real possibility, and I can't help but think that it would be a great social benefit to the country.

Here's hoping...
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The Democrats putting Hillary Clinton on the ballot would be tantamount to political suicide. She's so divisive and has such a loaded past that I severely doubt she can reach many true independents.

Exactly. I've never really been a huge fan of Hillary's, but if she's it for the Dems (which may not even be the case, unless the other Dem bids prove unsuccessful) I may have to go that way. Guess we shall see how things go over the next year.

All that said, unless there's some huge skeleton in Obama's closet I am for him all the way. I even may sign up to be part of his campaign, if indeed it does happen.
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i think HRC would be a much better Senate Majority Leader. or Supreme Court Justice. not a president.

i really do think that.

the Republcian Party is in tatters, stricken with infighting between libertarians, hawks, and religious conservatives. perhaps the ONLY thing that could get them organized would be the threat of another Clinton, particularly *this* Clinton, ascending back to the White House.

and if Hillary were to win ... from 1980-2016, we'd have had either a member of the Bush family or the Clinton family in the White House. dynasties are not a good sign in a democracy.
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and if Hillary were to win ... from 1980-2016, we'd have had either a member of the Bush family or the Clinton family in the White House. dynasties are not a good sign in a democracy.
Yeah, this distrubs me deeply. I don't want to see America go down that road. Blah blah all you want about the Adams family but fresh blood, please.
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