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Old 03-30-2012, 10:27 AM   #991
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Since there has been a lot of discussion of student loans in recent days as US student loan debt reached $1 trillion (exceeding credit card debt), I saw this chart today and thought it was interesting:



I think what particularly surprised me is that it's become common wisdom that too many people these days are getting a college degree, which is diluting the degrees and not really leading to better employment options. But this suggests that in the US that is simply not true - you may have more people with degrees in the aggregate due to population growth, but on an individual level there really hasn't been that increase that we've discussed here.

(I posted this in the Obama thread since he has addressed this issue on several occasions, but if mods want to split it, feel free.)
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Old 03-30-2012, 06:49 PM   #992
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Does "attained" mean "completed" or "some" there? Less than half of American college students wind up finishing their degrees. For community (2-yr./vocational) college students, which is just under half of all American college students, the completion rate is even worse.
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I believe "attained" means they got to that level of education. There are separate chapters in that OECD publication that deal with graduation levels (also split them by gender, etc) - very interesting.
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President Obama taped a video message praising Planned Parenthood and telling members he will continue fighting Republican efforts to cut their federal funding.

"For you, and for most Americans, protecting women's health is a mission that stands above politics," Obama said in the video titled "A Message to Planned Parenthood Supporters."

"And yet, over the past year, you've had to stand up to politicians who want to deny millions of women the care they rely on," he said.

"Let's be clear here," Obama said. "Women are not an interest group. They're mothers and daughters and sisters and wives -- they're half of this country."

A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows that support of women voters has shifted to Obama after recent weeks of debate about health care and contraception, giving him the lead in battleground states this November.

Congressional Republicans say they want to eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood because of its support for its abortion rights and for Democratic political candidates.

Obama and congressional Democrats beat back an effort to cut funds for Planned Parenthood during the budget battles of last summer.

In the video, Obama told Planned Parenthood members that when they hear "some professional politicians" talk about getting rid of Planned Parenthood, "don't forget what they're really talking about: eliminating the funding for preventive care that millions of women rely on and leaving them to fend for themselves."

"We know this debate is far from over," Obama said. "We must continue to send a message loud and clear."

Swing States Poll: A shift by women puts Obama in lead – USATODAY.com
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So the polls tell us that women are shifting to Obama?

SHOCKING.
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"Women are not an interest group. They're mothers and daughters and sisters and wives -- they're half of this country."
Great line .

Would love to think women backing away quickly would scare the Republicans and make them wise up but somehow, I doubt it.
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"Women are not an interest group. They're mothers and daughters and sisters and wives -- they're half of this country."
And in Kentucky they are often one and the same.

Women are also conservatives and Republicans. I know they don't count as "authentic" female voices but they really do exist out here in the cornfields and oil patches of America.
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Women are also conservatives and Republicans.
Yes, and many of them would probably prefer a) to keep Planned Parenthood around; and b) that the government kindly stay out of what should be between them and their families and/or doctors.
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Barack Obama's Bloodiest Scandal - Katie Pavlich - Townhall Conservative Columnists

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Barack Obama's Bloodiest Scandal

By Katie Pavlich

4/16/2012

Operation Fast and Furious is the deadliest and most sinister scandal in American history. A scandal so big, it’s worse than Iran-Contra and makes Watergate look like a high school prank gone wrong.

In the early days of the Obama Administration, President Obama claimed his goal was to stop the trafficking of guns from the United States into the hands of violent Mexican drug cartels. He claimed gun dealers in the United States were responsible for sending guns to Mexico. Both of his claims were lies.

In order to push his lies and policies built around them, with a goal of implementing harsher gun control laws and reinstating the assault weapons ban, President Obama packed his administration full of anti-Second Amendment zealots. After all, personnel is policy.

In my new book, Fast and Furious: Barack Obama’s Bloodiest Scandal and Its Shameless Coverup, I document the conspiracy of senior Obama officials to subvert the Second Amendment, which led directly to the murders of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, I.C.E. Agent Jaime Zapata and countless, faceless lives in Mexico. It debunks the Obama administration’s lies, denials and excuses. This administration was willing to use humans as collateral damage to push a political agenda, and had no shame in doing so. Now, the administration has no shame in covering up their reckless actions.


Since just moments after Brian Terry was killed in the Arizona desert on December 15, 2010 by Mexican cartel thugs, carrying AK-47s provided to them by the Obama Justice Department through Operation Fast and Furious, the FBI, Homeland Security, ATF, Justice Department and the White House have been engaged in a full scale cover-up. These are simply names of government agencies, but who are the people behind the cover-up?

I unravel a tangled web connecting President Obama, Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano and a number of advisors and political appointees behind Fast and Furious. These officials have deep loyalties to each other and their anti-Second Amendment ideology dating as far back as the Clinton Administration. In fact, many key Fast and Furious players have deep ties to Chicago and helped craft the 1994 Clinton assault weapons ban legislation.

If the majority of American people knew Fast and Furious like they know Solyndra or the GSA scandal, they would be outraged. Despite very few exceptions, the media has been complicit in the cover-up of Obama’s bloodiest scandal by ignoring and refusing to report about it. Why? To protect the President. This scandal, one that has left hundreds of bodies in its wake, would be deadly to the administration. This is the scandal that will bring President Obama down in November, so long as the American people know its details.

Over the weekend, GOP Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney officially made Fast and Furious a general election issue. His advisors are now directly pointing to the scandal as an example of how the Obama Administration used in its first term to “provide cover for potential efforts to restrict Second Amendment rights." In the book, I provide the documents and interviews to prove it.

The Obama administration is acting guilty, not innocent, in its actions to continually stonewall and deny the truth. Any American who believes the President, the Attorney General of the United States, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and a long list of other government officials responsible for this reckless program are not above the law, need this book.

Operation Fast and Furious wasn't a "botched" program. It was a calculated and lethal decision to purposely place thousand of guns into the hands of ruthless criminals. The operation was a coordinated and planned effort not to track guns, but to arm thugs south of the border for political gain. Eric Holder should be removed from office for incompetence, dishonesty and charged with perjury. My sources, documented in the book, say Janet Napolitano may also face charges of perjury and potentially obstruction of justice. It is time for President Obama to take responsibility, denounce the operation and fire those involved.
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I'm sorry. Obama hired anti-gun policy makers to put guns in the hands of criminals? Forgive me if this is not quite adding up.
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I remember the outrage when we went into Afghanistan and (mostly) Iraq. To me its high time we GTFO of Afghanistan, people are losing sight of the mission, Bin Laden is dead, its time to go. I know when haven't heard much lately in the way of names of the fallen, so this is for them. I hope they can come home soon.

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April 11, 2012

-Lance Cpl. Ramon T. Kaipat, 22 – Tacoma, WA – 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force. Died while conducting combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on April 11, 2012.

April 7, 2012

-Seaman Trevor J. Stanley, 22 Virginia Beach, VA – Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 3. Died as the result of a non-combat related incident while deployed to Camp Lemonnier, Djibouti, on April 7, 2012.

April 6, 2012

-Spc. Antonio C. Burnside , 31 – Great Falls, MT – 1st Brigade Special Troops Battalion, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division. Died of injuries suffered when insurgents attacked his unit with small-arms fire at Ghanzi province, Afghanistan, on April 6, 2012.

April 5, 2012

-Cpl. Alex Martinez, 21 – Elgin, IL – 1st Combat Engineer Battalion, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force. Died following a roadside bomb attack while conducting combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on April 5, 2012.

April 4, 2012

-Sgt. 1st Class Shawn T. Hannon, 44 – Grove City, OH – 1st Battalion, 148th Infantry Regiment, 37th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, Ohio Army National Guard. One of three soldiers killed when their unit was attacked by a suicide car bomber in Meymaneh, the capital of Faryab province, Afghanistan, on April 4, 2012.

-Sgt. 1st Class Jeffrey J. Rieck April 4, 2012 45 Columbus, Ohio, USA 1st Battalion, 148th Infantry Regiment, 37th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, Ohio Army National Guard One of three soldiers killed when their unit was attacked by a suicide car bomber in Meymaneh, the capital of Faryab province, Afghanistan, on April 4, 2012.

-Capt. Nicholas J. Rozanski April 4, 2012 36 Dublin, Ohio, USA 1st Battalion, 148th Infantry Regiment, 37th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, Ohio Army National Guard One of three soldiers killed when their unit was attacked by a suicide car bomber in Meymaneh, the capital of Faryab province, Afghanistan, on April 4, 2012

April 3, 2012

-Cpl. Christopher D. Bordoni , 21 Ithaca, NY – 1st Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force – Bordoni died on April 3, 2012, of wounds sustained when a suicide bomber detonated an explosive device in Kajaki Sufla, Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 18, 2012. Another Marine, Cpl. Phillip D. McGeath, was killed in the attack.

-Staff Sgt. Christopher L. Brown, 26 – Columbus, OH – 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division. Died of wounds sustained after he was attacked with a roadside bomb while on a dismounted patrol in Kunar province, Afghanistan, on April 3, 2012.

-Spc. Jeffrey L. White Jr. , 21 – Catawissa, MO – 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division. Died of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his unit with a roadside bomb in Khost province, Afghanistan, on April 3, 2012.

March 31, 2012

-Spc. James Evan Dutton, 25 – Checotah, OK – Company B, 125th Brigade Support Battalion, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division. Died as a result of a non-battle related injury at Forward Operating Base Shank near Pul-i-Alam in Logar province, Afghanistan, on March 31, 2012.

March 30, 2012

-Cpl. Roberto Cazarez, 24 – Harbor City, CA – 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force. Died following a roadside bomb attack during combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on March 30, 2012.

March 29, 2012

-Pfc. Johnathon Frank Davis, 20 – Griffin, GA – Troop, 4th Squadron, 73rd Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division. Died of wounds suffered from enemy small-arms fire in Maiwand, Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on March 29, 2012.

-Cpl. Michael J. Palacio, 23 – Lake Elsinore, CA – Headquarters Battalion, 3rd Marine Division, III Marine Expeditionary Force. Died following a roadside bomb attack during combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on March 29, 2012.

-Spc. David Wayne Taylor, 20 Dixon, KY – Company D, Company D, 2nd Battalion, 508th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division. Taylor was assisting in the movement of ammunition when some of the rounds accidentally exploded in Zharif Kheyl, Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on March 29, 2012.

March 28, 2012

-Capt. Francis Dee Imlay Jr., 31 Vacaville, CA -391st Fighter Squadron, 366th Operations Group, 366th Fighter Wing, deployed with the 380th Air Expeditionary Wing. Died of injuries received when his F-15E Strike Eagle crashed approximately 15 miles outside of Al Dhafra Air Base in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, on March 28, 2012.

March 27, 2012

-Sgt. Joseph D’Augustine, 29 – Waldwick, NJ – 8th Engineer Support Battalion, 2nd Marine Logistics Group, II Marine Expeditionary Force. Killed in a roadside bomb attack while conducting combat operations in the Sangin district of Helmand province, Afghanistan, on March 27, 2012.

March 26, 2012

-Sgt. William R. Wilson III, Age unavailable- Getzville, NY – 2nd Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment, 172nd Infantry Brigade. Killed when he was shot by an alleged member of the Afghan Local Police as his unit approached an ALP checkpoint in Paktika province, Afghanistan, on March 26, 2012.

March 24, 2012

-Sgt. Daniel J. Brown, 27 – Jerome, ID -2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division. Killed when enemy forces attacked his unit with a roadside bomb in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on March 24, 2012.

-Capt. Aaron D. Istre,37 – Vinton, LA – Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 13th Sustainment Command. Died as a result of a non-battle related injury in Kabul, Afghanistan on March 24, 2012.

March 22, 2012

-Spc. Dennis P. Weichel Jr. – 29 Providence, RI – Company C, 1st Battalion, 143rd Infantry Regiment, Rhode Island Army National Guard. Died of injuries suffered in an accident involving an Mine-Resistant Ambush-Protected vehicle while conducting security operations in Laghman province, Afghanistan, on March 22, 2012.

March 21, 2012

-Sgt. Jamie D. Jarboe, 27 – Frankfort, ID – 4th Squadron, 4th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division . Died on March 21, 2012, in Topeka, Kansas, of wounds suffered on April 10, 2011, when he was shot by a sniper in the Zhari district of Kandahar province, Afghanistan.

March 15, 2012

-2nd Lt. Clovis T. Ray, 34 – San Antonio, TX -2nd Battalion, 35th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division. Died of injuries suffered when insurgents attacked his unit with a roadside bomb in Kunar province, Afghanistan, on March 15, 2012.

March 14, 2012

-Spc. Daquane D. Rivers, 21 – Marianna, FL – Company B, 2nd Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment, 172nd Infantry Brigade. Died from injuries sustained in a non-combat related incident in Paktika province, Afghanistan on March 14, 2012.

March 12, 2012

-Staff Sgt. Jesse J. Grindey, 30 – Hazel Green, WI – 287th Military Police Company, 97th Military Police Battalion, 89th Military Police Brigade. Died in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on March 12, 2012.

March 5, 2012

-Spc. Edward J. Acosta, 21 – Hesperia, CA – 2nd Battalion, 5th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division. Died on March 5, 2012, in La Jolla, California, of injuries sustained when his vehicle was struck by a roadside bomb in Wardak province, Afghanistan, on December 3, 2011.

March 1, 2012

-Staff Sgt. Jordan L. Bear, 25, – Denver, CO – 2nd Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C. One of two soldiers who died of wounds suffered from small arms fire during an attack on their base in Kandahar province, Afghanistan on March 1, 2012.

-Pfc. Payton A. Jones, 19 – Marble Falls, TX – 2nd Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C. One of two soldiers who died of wounds suffered from small arms fire during an attack on their base in Kandahar province, Afghanistan March 1, 2012.

-Cpl. Conner T. Lowry, 24 – Chicago, IL – 2nd Battalion, 11th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, CA. Died while conducting combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan on March 1, 2012. This incident is under investigation.

February 25, 2012

-Lt. Col. John Darin Loftis, 44 – Paducah, KY – 866th Air Expeditionary Squadron. One of two U.S. servicemen killed by a junior officer in the Afghan Interior Ministry’s intelligence department while they were working at the ministry in Kabul, Afghanistan, on February 25, 2012.

-Maj. Robert J. Marchanti II, 48 – Baltimore, MD – 1st Battalion, 29th Infantry Division Security Partnering Team, Maryland Army National Guard. One of two U.S. servicemen killed by a junior officer in the Afghan Interior Ministry’s intelligence department while they were working at the ministry in Kabul, Afghanistan, on February 25, 2012.

February 23, 2012

-Sgt. Joshua A. Born, 25 – Niceville, FL – 549th Military Police Company, 385th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade. One of two soldiers killed after an Afghan soldier opened fire on them while a demonstration was being held outside a U.S. base in the Khogyani district of Nangarhar province, Afghanistan, on February 23, 2012.

-Cpl. Timothy J. Conrad Jr., 22 -Roanoke, VA – 549th Military Police Company, 385th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade. One of two soldiers killed after an Afghan soldier opened fire on them while a demonstration was being held outside a U.S. base in the Khogyani district of Nangarhar province, Afghanistan, on February 23, 2012.

February 21, 2012

-Sgt. Allen R. McKenna Jr., 28 – Noble, OK – 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division. Died as a result of a non-battle related injury in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on February 21, 2012.

February 18, 2012

-Capt. Ryan Preston Hall, 30 – Colorado Springs, CO – 319th Special Operations Squadron, 1st Special Operations Group, 1st Special Operations Wing. One of four airmen killed when their U-28A utility aircraft accidentally crashed about six miles away from Camp Lemonnier at the Djibouti International Airport in Djibouti, on February 18, 2012.

-Senior Airman Julian Seiji Scholten, 26 – Upper Marlboro, MD – 25th Intelligence Squadron, 361st Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Group. One of four airmen killed when their U-28A utility aircraft accidentally crashed about six miles away from Camp Lemonnier at the Djibouti International Airport in Djibouti, on February 18, 2012.

-Capt. Nicholas Schade Whitlock, 29 – Newnan, GA – 34th Special Operations Squadron, 1st Special Operations Group, 1st Special Operations Wing One of four airmen killed when their U-28A utility aircraft accidentally crashed about six miles away from Camp Lemonnier at the Djibouti International Airport in Djibouti, on February 18, 2012.

-1st Lt. Justin James Wilkens, 26 – Bend, OR – 34th Special Operations Squadron, 1st Special Operations Group, 1st Special Operations Wing. One of four airmen killed when their U-28A utility aircraft accidentally crashed about six miles away from Camp Lemonnier at the Djibouti International Airport in Djibouti, on February 18, 2012.

February 17, 2012

-Petty Officer First Class Paris S. Pough, 40 – Columbus, GA died Feb. 17, 2012 during a port visit in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Pough, a hull technician, was assigned to the USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), home-ported in San Diego, CA.

February 16, 2012

-Sgt. Jerry D. Reed II, 30 – Russellville, AR – 2nd Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment, 172nd Infantry Brigade. Died as a result of a non-battle related injury in Paktika province, Afghanistan, on February 16, 2012.

February 14, 2012

-Petty Officer 3rd Class Kyler L. Estrada, 21 – Maricopa, AZ – Navy corpsman assigned to the 11th Marine Expeditionary Uni. Died when he was accidentally shot and killed during a nighttime live-fire training exercise in Djibouti on February 14, 2012

February 10, 2012

-Lance Cpl. Osbrany Montes De Oca, 20 – North Arlington, NJ 2nd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force. Died while conducting combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on February 10, 2012.

February 7, 2012

-Sgt. 1st Class Billy A. Sutton, 42 – Tupelo, MS – 288th Sapper Company, 223rd Engineer Battalion, 168th Engineer Brigade, Mississippi Army National Guard. Died of a non-hostile medical condition in Uruzgan province, Afghanistan, on February 7, 2012.

February 3, 2012

-Brig. Gen. Terence J. Hildner, 49 – Fairfax, VA – Commander, 13th Expeditionary Sustainment Command. Died of natural causes in Kabul, Afghanistan, on February 3, 2012.

February 1, 2012

-Lance Cpl. Edward J. Dycus, 22 – Greenville, MS – 2nd Battalion, 9th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force. Dycus was killed when an Afghan National Army soldier shot him while both were guarding a joint operating base in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on February 1, 2012. Bloomberg News reported that an Afghan general told investigators that the shooting was an accident. The Marine Corps said the incident is under investigation.

January 31, 2012

-Sgt. William C. Stacey, 23 – Redding, CA – 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force. Died while conducting combat operations in the Now Zad district of Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 31, 2012.

January 25, 2012

-1st Lt. David A. Johnson, 24 – Horicon, WI – 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division. Died when a roadside bomb detonated during a dismounted patrol in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on January 25, 2012.

January 22, 2012

-Capt. Joshua C. Pairsh, 29 – Equality, IL – 4th Civil Affairs Group, Marine Forces Reserve. Died of a non-combat related illness in the United States on January 22, 2012, after returning from Afghanistan on January 3.

January 21, 2012

-Cpl. Christopher G. Singer, 23 – Temecula, CA – 3rd Combat Engineer Battalion, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force. Died while conducting combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 21, 2012.

January 19, 2012

-Capt. Daniel Benjamin Bartle, 27 – Ferndale, WA – Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 363, Marine Aircraft Group 24, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, III Marine Expeditionary Force. One of six Marines killed when their CH-53D Sea Stallion transport helicopter crashed in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 19, 2012. The cause of the crash is under investigation, but initial reporting indicates there was no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash.

-Cpl. Joseph Daniel Logan, 22 – Willis, TX – Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 363, Marine Aircraft Group 24, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, III Marine Expeditionary Force. One of six Marines killed when their CH-53D Sea Stallion transport helicopter crashed in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 19, 2012. The cause of the crash is under investigation, but initial reporting indicates there was no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash.

-Capt. Nathan Ronald McHone, 29 – Crystal Lake, IL – Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 363, Marine Aircraft Group 24, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, III Marine Expeditionary Force. One of six Marines killed when their CH-53D Sea Stallion transport helicopter crashed in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 19, 2012. The cause of the crash is under investigation, but initial reporting indicates there was no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash.

-Cpl. Kevin James Reinhard, 25 – Colonia, NJ – Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 363, Marine Aircraft Group 24, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, III Marine Expeditionary Force. One of six Marines killed when their CH-53D Sea Stallion transport helicopter crashed in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 19, 2012. The cause of the crash is under investigation, but initial reporting indicates there was no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash.

-Master Sgt. Travis William Riddick, 40 – Centerville, IA – Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 363, Marine Aircraft Group 24, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, III Marine Expeditionary Force. One of six Marines killed when their CH-53D Sea Stallion transport helicopter crashed in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 19, 2012. The cause of the crash is under investigation, but initial reporting indicates there was no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash.

-Cpl. Jesse Wade Stites, 23 – North Beach, MD – Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 363, Marine Aircraft Group 24, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, III Marine Expeditionary Force. One of six Marines killed when their CH-53D Sea Stallion transport helicopter crashed in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 19, 2012. The cause of the crash is under investigation, but initial reporting indicates there was no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash.

January 18, 2012

-Spc. Keith D. Benson, 27 – Brockton, MA – Combat medic assigned to Company C, 2nd Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment, 172nd Infantry Brigade. Benson died as a result of a non-battle related injury in Paktika province, Afghanistan, on January 18, 2012. The circumstances surrounding his death are currently under investigation.

-Cpl. Phillip D. McGeath, 25 Glendale, AZ – 1st Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force. Died as a result of a roadside bomb attack while conducting combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 18, 2012.

January 15, 2012

-Cpl. Jon-Luke Bateman January 15, 2012 22 Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force One of two Marines that died as a result of a non-battle related injuries in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 15, 2012.

-Lance Cpl. Kenneth E. Cochran, 20 – Wilder, ID – 9th Engineer Support Battalion, 3rd Marine Logistics Group, III Marine Expeditionary Force. One of two Marines that died as a result of a non-battle related injuries in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on January 15, 2012.

-Sgt. 1st Class Benjamin B. Wise, 34 – El Dorado, AR Company A, 3rd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group. Died on January 15, 2012, at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Landstuhl, Germany, of injuries sustained when enemy forces attacked his unit with small-arms fire in Kunduz province, Afghanistan, on January 9, 2012.

January 11, 2012

-Pfc. Neil I. Turner, 21 – Tacoma, WA – 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division. Died of injuries sustained from a non-combat related incident in Logar province, Afghanistan, on January 11, 2012.

January 10, 2012

-Pfc. Michael W. Pyron, 30 – Hopewell, VA – 25th Signal Battalion, 160th Signal Brigade, 335th Signal Command, Army Reserve. Died due to a non-battle related injury in Parwan province, Afghanistan, on January 10, 2012.

January 8, 2012

-Pfc. Dustin P. Napier, 20 – London, KY – 1st Battalion, 24th Infantry Regiment, 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division. Killed by an individual wearing an Afghan Army uniform who opened fire on a group of soldiers at a base in Zabul province, Afghanistan, on January 8, 2012.

January 7, 2012

-Senior Airman Bryan R. Bell, 23 – Erie, PA – 2nd Civil Engineer Squadron, Barksdale Air Force Base, LA. One of three airman that died Jan. 5,2012 in Shir ghazi, Helmand province, Afghanistan, when their vehicle was struck by an improvised explosive device.

-Tech. Sgt. Matthew S. Schwartz, 34 – Traverse City, MI – 90th Civil Engineer Squadron, FE Warren Air Force Base, WY. One of three airman that died Jan. 5,2012 in Shir ghazi, Helmand province, Afghanistan, when their vehicle was struck by an improvised explosive device.

- Airman 1st Class Matthew R. Seidler, 24 – Westminster, MD – 21st Civil Engineer Squadron, Peterson Air Force Base, CO. One of three airman that died Jan. 5, 2012 in Shir ghazi, Helmand province, Afghanistan, when their vehicle was struck by an improvised explosive device.

January 6, 2012

-Spc. Brian Jeffery Leonhardt, 21 – Merrillville, IN – 713th Engineer Company, 81st Troop Command, Indiana Army National Guard. One of four soldiers killed when enemy forces attacked their vehicle with a roadside bomb in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on January 6, 2012.

-Staff Sgt. Jonathan Matthew Metzger, 32 Indianapolis, IN – 713th Engineer Company, 81st Troop Command, Indiana Army National Guard One of four soldiers killed when enemy forces attacked their vehicle with a roadside bomb in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on January 6, 2012.

-Spc. Christopher Alexander Patterson, 20 – Aurora, IL – 713th Engineer Company, 81st Troop Command, Indiana Army National Guard. One of four soldiers killed when enemy forces attacked their vehicle with a roadside bomb in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on January 6, 2012.

-Spc. Robert Joseph Tauteris Jr., 44 Hamlet,ID – 713th Engineer Company, 81st Troop Command, Indiana Army National Guard. One of four soldiers killed when enemy forces attacked their vehicle with a roadside bomb in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on January 6, 2012.

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Wholeheartedly agree it's well past time for us to get the hell out of there. I'm tired of seeing the names pile up, too.

As for the gun story, anything talking about "subverting the Second Amendment" (the horror!) has me suspicious right away. I agree with PhilsFan, I'm not exactly seeing how that plan would be a good way to try and do whatever it is with the Second Amendment Pavlich thinks they're going to do.
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This scandal has had 3 books already released on it. A lot of the first two have already been debunked for the most part. Glenn and Hannity have been foaming at the mouth about this for over a year, and then they have some expert on their show about it, and by the next time they talk about it there's a new expert saying the complete opposite of the last one. So every right wing hack is trying to complete the story before it actually breaks.

Everything I've read so far from all sides of the aisle it points to a FBI and DOJ screw up. Bigger than Iran Contra or Watergate? No. Sinister? No.
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Government waste and criminal malfeasance or,

Keynesian stimulus?

Is there really a difference?
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Karzai wants 'at least $2 billion' a year from US - Yahoo! News

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Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Tuesday said he wanted "at least $2 billion" a year from the United States after it withdraws its troops in 2014.

Karzai said the US should specify in a partnership agreement to be signed between his country and the US how much money it will give to Afghanistan after they leave.

"They (US) say we will give you money, but will not specify the amount. We say give us less, but write it down," Karzai told a group of university professors and students in Kabul.

"We want them to write down that America will give for Afghanistan's security $2 billion a year -- or at least two billion a year", he said. "If they want to give us more, they are welcome."

Karzai's comments came a day after he laid most of the blame for an 18-hour assault by squads of Taliban insurgents in Kabul Sunday on intelligence failures by NATO forces.

"The terrorists' infiltration in Kabul and other provinces is an intelligence failure for us and especially for NATO and should be seriously investigated," Karzai said in a statement.

The 130,000-strong US-led NATO force helping the Afghan government fight a decade-long Taliban insurgency is due to end combat operations and pull out by the end of 2014 and the two countries are in talks about their future relations.

Kabul has already achieved two preconditions for signing the treaty -- full control over the US-run Bagram prison and controversial special forces night raids against Taliban insurgents.

Officials on both sides have expressed hope that a strategic partnership agreement governing post-2014 ties could be signed ahead of a NATO summit in Chicago in May.

"We don't want them to spend a lot of money here, we would like to help them save their money, but give some to us too," Karzai said.

The US led an invasion of Afghanistan to topple the hardline Islamist Taliban regime for harbouring Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden after the September 11 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

Since then it has led a NATO fight in support of Karzai's government against a Taliban insurgency, in which nearly US 2,000 troops have died, according to monitoring group icasualties.org.
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