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Old 01-27-2012, 09:43 PM   #781
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Tax cuts are code for racism ("It's not 'spic' or 'nigger' anymore. (Instead,) they say, 'Let's cut taxes." -- Charles Rangel 1994.
That one is ridiculous, I have to admit. How he jumped from tax cuts to racism is beyond me.

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I could go on. The problem is liberals believe conservatives only win, not based on the strength of their arguments or accomplishments, but on code-words and dog-whistles.
Conservatives, however routinely make it clear that liberals win exclusively on the strengths of their arguments or accomplishments. If only we depraved liberals were as respectful of our opponents as the noble conservatives are. . . .

Come on, INDY.
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Reforming Medicare is code for "throw granny off the cliff."

I could go on. The problem is liberals believe conservatives only win, not based on the strength of their arguments or accomplishments, but on code-words and dog-whistles.
And when Obama's healthcare plan came about, conservatives mentioned that meant Obama wanted to kill your grandmother with death panels .

Please, don't even begin to pretend your side doesn't do this very same thing.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:36 AM   #783
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I believe conservatives pander to their lowest common denominator's base fears, and it works wonderfully
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:23 AM   #784
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It does seem to work

They're just going to have a tougher time with terrorism, since the OBL and Khadafi stuff. Remember, Obama was supposed to be soft on all that stuff. Where there's a will there's a way I guess, just make shit up. Now the economy has obviously overtaken terrorism as the number one issue.
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2011 GDP: 1.7%
The effects of the housing bubble and collapse (thank you Bush, Bernanke, Greenspan) are still weighing heavily on the economy.

Without passing the the payroll tax cut (thank you Obama), that growth you cite would have been even smaller.

But let's not let facts get in the way.
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:24 PM   #786
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Seconded. What Indy500 said.
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The effects of the housing bubble and collapse (thank you Bush, Bernanke, Greenspan) are still weighing heavily on the economy. But let's not let facts get in the way.
Speaking of facts; let's throw in that both Houses of Congress were under Democratic control at the time of the crisis (thank you Frank, Pelosi, Dodd and Reid)
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Without passing the payroll tax cut (thank you Obama), that growth you cite would have been even smaller.
The GOP House passed a 1 year extension, the Senate and president wanted the current 2 month extension. But glad you now recognize that tax cuts stimulate economic growth. (thank you Bush tax cuts)
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But glad you now recognize that tax cuts stimulate economic growth. (thank you Bush tax cuts)
Those really worked out for us.
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Speaking of facts; let's throw in that both Houses of Congress were under Democratic control at the time of the crisis (thank you Frank, Pelosi, Dodd and Reid)
Yep, we all know that economic crises happen in the moment.

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The GOP House passed a 1 year extension, the Senate and president wanted the current 2 month extension. But glad you now recognize that tax cuts stimulate economic growth. (thank you Bush tax cuts)
We also know that tax cuts are long term stimulus.
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The GOP House passed a 1 year extension, the Senate and president wanted the current 2 month extension. But glad you now recognize that tax cuts stimulate economic growth. (thank you Bush tax cuts)
I thought that you were better than discussing things from a completely disingenuous platform. I was wrong.

The Republicans in the Senate were not interested in negotiating with the Democrats or the President in any meaningful way, and that is why the stopgap measure was necessary - you couldn't get a year-long deal with these people. It was hailed as a major victory for the administration by pretty much everyone, including Republicans with egg on their face.

Since they insist on treating every issue like it is Obama's Waterloo, you can't work with them at all. On this issue, Obama finally called their bluff.
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Those really worked out for us.
Was going to say, not entirely sure how those worked out for my family, but, you know, whatever.

Let's not forget the matter of the Bush administration dragging us into two wars with little to no preparation or exit strategy whatsoever-that's certainly part of the reason we're in the mess we're in now.
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Still President.
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Those really worked out for us.
ooh, or those stimulus packages we got in 2007 or something? that $300 i got sure prevented me from losing my job!
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RNC Chair Priebus compares Obama to Captain Schettino

On Face the Nation this past Sunday, Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus likens President Obama to the captain who abandoned the sinking Costa Concordia.

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The fight for the GOP nomination has become rough-and-tumble, with Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich throwing verbal jabs at each other on the campaign trail and debate stages. And when they aren't beating up each other, they are jabbing at President Obama, calling him a failure and a socialist.

It's part of the campaign circus - candidates and their surrogates slinging mud to sway voters. But Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus took the bashing to a new level in comparing Mr. Obama to the captain of the capsized Costa Concordia cruise ship, in speaking with Bob Schieffer on "Face the Nation" Sunday.

"In the end, in a few months, this is all going to be ancient history and we're going to talk about our own little Captain Schettino, which is President Obama who is abandoning the ship here in the United States. He's more interested in campaigning than doing his job as President," Priebus said.

Democratic National Committee Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who also appeared on "Face the Nation," couldn't top that line of attack. The best she could do was call Mitt Romney "out-of-step" and "extreme."

"Mitt Romney is so out of step with the priorities of Floridians, I mean I've stood in line behind senior citizens in my district who had to leave one or two of their prescriptions at the counter because of the donut hole in the prescription drug program," Wasserman Schultz told Schieffer. "Mitt Romney would repeal the Affordable Care Act - any of the Republicans would - and that would mean we would reopen the donut hole and seniors would have less affordable prescription drugs again."
RNC Chair Priebus compares Obama to Captain Schettino - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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RNC Chair Priebus compares Obama to Captain Schettino
I was watching that and I couldn't believe it, then I could. Cute little soundbite I guess. This is going to get very dirty.
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