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Old 11-11-2011, 03:45 PM   #511
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Florida going for Bama was a fluke last time. It will not see blue again for a very long time.

such a stupid state
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GOP does have a pretty good hold on Florida

and we know from 2000, they know how to work all the angles.


I don't think Romney need Rubio on the ticket, having him stump up and down the state is just as good. Also, the Jewish vote for Obama will not be s strong this time around.
Of course we could give Israel all the intel they need to bomb Iran, that could be Obama's October surprise.
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Old 11-11-2011, 06:00 PM   #513
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Right, because the two situations are so similar as to invite comparison.
There are in one regard.

Cheerleaders for OWS are claiming victory because Bank of America dropped its plan for a $5 debt card fee. I think it only fair to point out that political change can still be achieved in this country without giving up bathing.
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There are in one regard.

Cheerleaders for OWS are claiming victory because Bank of America dropped its plan for a $5 debt card fee. I think it only fair to point out that political change can still be achieved in this country without giving up bathing.
Typical American conservative rhetoric from you, INDY.
  • Claim moral outrage at something trumped up and overblown by right-wing media
  • Be called out on it by someone with fairly sensible, middle-of-the-road political views rooted in reality
  • Attempt petty/strained comparison to justify original position in a gutless retreat

That's the modus operandi of the GOP hype machine in general. Outrage, hyperbole, publicity, quiet retreat back to reality on the issue.

The voting public does not bother doing their research, so only the original hysterical talking point is remembered.

Swiftboat.
Death panels.
Obamacare.
Etc.

You disgust me, sometimes.
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Old 11-11-2011, 06:53 PM   #515
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Typical American conservative rhetoric from you, INDY.
  • Claim moral outrage at something trumped up and overblown by right-wing media
  • Be called out on it by someone with fairly sensible, middle-of-the-road political views rooted in reality
  • Attempt petty/strained comparison to justify original position in a gutless retreat

That's the modus operandi of the GOP hype machine in general. Outrage, hyperbole, publicity, quiet retreat back to reality on the issue.

The voting public does not bother doing their research, so only the original hysterical talking point is remembered.

Swiftboat.
Death panels.
Obamacare.
Etc.

You disgust me, sometimes.




Typical liberal/progressive rhetoric from you, Canadien1131.


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Old 11-11-2011, 06:55 PM   #516
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Old 11-11-2011, 06:56 PM   #517
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Typical liberal/progressive rhetoric from you, Canadien1131.


Take care
No surprise you fail to provide any kind of cogent argument or explanation with one of your posts.

God be with ya
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:16 PM   #518
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No surprise you fail to provide any kind of cogent argument or explanation with one of your posts.

God be with ya



I was just expressing my opinion.



You posted this:

"That's the modus operandi of the GOP hype machine in general. Outrage, hyperbole, publicity, quiet retreat back to reality on the issue."


Is that your idea of stating a cognent argument and explaination?
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Typical American conservative rhetoric from you, INDY.
  • Claim moral outrage at something trumped up and overblown by right-wing media
  • Be called out on it by someone with fairly sensible, middle-of-the-road political views rooted in reality
  • Attempt petty/strained comparison to justify original position in a gutless retreat
Mind if I ask what the hell you're talking about? Called out on what? My point all along is, for all its faults, politics in America still works if you engage the system rather than trying to undermine it. Now Dieman is a fair MOD and intelligent and reasoned but "middle-of-the-road" politically? Even Dieman would not admit to that I'd guess.
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Swiftboat.
Death panels.
Obamacare.
Etc.
Mediscare. (see Throw granny over the Cliff ad)
Republicans want "dirty air, dirty water, and fewer people with health insurance." (see Obama on the campaign trail)
Daisy Girl. (see Democratic ad against Goldwater)
Reagan's finger on the button.
George W Bush is "shredding the Constitution" on civil liberty.
Etc.

What's your point? Surely not that only the GOP uses such tactics.
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Really? In a world of Penn St, Darfur, terrorism, honor killings and haggis... my words defending capitalism, American Exceptionalism and tenets of conservatism disgust you?
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:56 PM   #520
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Many states' electoral votes have changed due to the 2010 census with states gaining votes being blue states and those losing votes being Obama states. So factor that into your numbers. Some states may have adopted the Colorado rule of doling out electoral votes by district, not winner take al,l as well but I'm not sure about that.
12 Electoral votes swapped places.
2012 electoral vote in parenthesis.
Bolded are supposed toss-ups.

Texas +4 (38)
Florida +2 (29)
Arizona +1 (11)
Georgia +1 (16)
Nevada +1 (6)
South Carolina +1 (9)
Utah +1 (6)
Washington +1 (12)

New York -2 (29)
Ohio -2 (18)
Illinois -1 (20)
Iowa -1 (6)
Louisiana -1 (8)
Mass. -1 (11)
Michigan -1 (16)
Missouri -1 (10)
New Jersey -1 (14)
Pennsylvania -1 (20)

There are thought to be (by most pundits) twelve toss-up States.
Although some of the more biased "pundits" have said eight, I think twelve is at least a more wide net and people can make up their own minds from there.

Here are the 2012 electoral votes for those states.
Nevada (6), Colorado (9), Iowa (6), Florida (29), Michigan (16), Pennsylvania (20), New Mexico (5), Wisconsin (10), New Hampshire (4), North Carolina (15), Ohio (18), Virginia (13).

Minnesota (10) is considered by some as a 13th swing state.

If MN goes to Obama, then the split is Obama-196 Republican-191.
With those 151 votes from the 12 swing states up for grabs.
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Minnesota (10) is considered by some as a 13th swing state.

If MN goes to Obama, then the split is Obama-196 Republican-191.
With those 151 votes from the 12 swing states up for grabs.
Short of a Penn State-type scandal in the White House, Minnesota goes Obama in 2012 by a wider margin than in 2008. I am confident in that.
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Lots of ways to look at it.

But I can't imagine any scenario where Ohio isn't the Belle of the Ball.

It won't be gay marriage and the like this time.

It's going to be union shit.
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Old 11-14-2011, 11:47 AM   #523
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All the puzzle pieces for an interesting 2012 race are falling into place:

The SCOTUS has agreed to hear the appeal of the Affordable Care Act (that's Obummerkare for all you Fox News viewers). Ruling is expected before July 2012.

Then again, it's all down to the economy. This should still be interesting, though.
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The SCOTUS has agreed to hear the appeal of the Affordable Care Act (that's Obummerkare for all you Fox News viewers). Ruling is expected before July 2012.


and on that note:

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CNN Poll: Support rises for health insurance mandate
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Washington (CNN) - The public is divided over the idea of requiring all Americans to have health insurance, according to a new national survey. But a CNN/ORC International Poll also indicates that support for the proposal, a cornerstone of the 2010 health care reform law, has risen since June.

The survey's Monday release comes as the Supreme Court has agreed to decide the constitutionality of the sweeping health care reform law that was passed by a Democratic Congress and championed by President Barack Obama. The justices made their announcement in a brief order issued on Monday. Oral arguments would likely be held in late February or March, with a ruling by June, assuring the blockbuster issue will become a hot-button political issue in a presidential election year.

According to the poll, 52% of Americans favor mandatory health insurance, up from 44% in June. The survey indicates that 47% oppose the health insurance mandate, down from 54% in early summer.

"The health insurance mandate has gained most support since June among older Americans and among lower-income Americans," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "A majority of independents opposed the measure in June, but 52 percent of them now favor it."

The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International Poll from November 11-13, with 1,036 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.

CNN Poll: Support rises for health insurance mandate – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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Like with everything, as people learn more, they start to get it right (see: same sex marriage).
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