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Old 11-09-2011, 03:16 PM   #496
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Modern politics

Obama is definitely against all the Christians. The Fox News comment panel (and I'm sure tonight's O'Reilly Factor) says so.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:40 PM   #497
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I will be voting for Nader for a third time or a Green Party nominee if Nader doesn't run.

However, I'd like to discuss my Obama campaign strategy which I think is genius. Basically, his staffers should not put any money into the closest swing states and rather dump most of the funds into swing states that he won by greater margins. Why evenly spread most of the campaign dollars over ten states and give Romney a chance to evenly spread his money and flip some of the bigger ones? It makes more sense to pile the bulk of money/staffers into the states that you will probably win and simply give up the others. If you outspend Romney in a couple of small swing states by like a 5-to-1 margin, you'll easily hold onto those and win the election. It's not about getting 365 electoral votes again, but ensuring you reach 270.


States Obama Won By Less Than 3% in 2008:

North Carolina, Indiana, NE District 2, Florida (-56 Electoral Votes)

- Obama gives up all of that, spending virtually no money in those states.

Current Standings:

Obama - 303 EVs
Romney - 235 EVs

All of Obama's concentration/funds should be spent on Ohio, Virigina, Colorado and Iowa. He will win the rest of the same states with ease as he had strong margins of victory in all the rest. If he loses all but Ohio, he wins the race. If he loses Ohio, he needs to pick up either Virginia or a combo of Colorado/Iowa. I see no reason for him to try and make states like Indiana or Florida or North Carolina competitive when he doesn't need to win any of them. Why not just outspend Romney in Ohio by an unprecedented margin with a bunch of attack ads showing how Republicans tried to curb union power in the state only a year prior? I mean, call me crazy, but Obama could probably spend $500 million in just Ohio and not a dime in the states he's obviously going to win and still end up winning with ease. If I were running his campaign, I'd play this Safe Swing States strategy and I have no doubt it would work.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:46 PM   #498
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as a fellow Californian,

I guess our votes don't matter, this state is fairly safe to go solidly blue.

the 6 - 11 states that do matter in the electoral college cluster f*ck should seriously evaluate voting 3rd party and having the worse of the evils take office, aka Nader voters in 2000 that could have saved us from Bush in 2000.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:51 PM   #499
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Election fraud is responsible for Bush's win, not Nader. I know, it's frustrating that virtually all of those 97,488 people that voted for him in Florida would have preferred Al Gore in office to Bush, but that's the entire point of voting for a candidate that's not a member of a major party. It's effectively a protest vote and if the major Leftist party continues to not give a rat's ass about us liberals, they can face the consequences. It's the Democrats that lose out more than us because we all know that electoral politics doesn't change anything. Hence the third party vote.
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Fraud only works if they can get it close enough to steal it.

With the GOP controlling so many state houses and state legislators and appointed election officials and with voter suppression tactics, there is even a greater chance of stealing or theft of elections, then what occurred in 2000.

therefore, liberals/ progressives voting 3rd party in close states, when they could support the lesser evil, it may be considered a principled stand, but not well thought out.
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Old 11-10-2011, 06:06 PM   #501
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Can Obama just tell Netanyahu that he's an asshole to his face and endorse a Palestinian state? I promise that the left will get behind him for this next election if he just does something like that, regardless of how many investment bankers we know he'll keep appointing to positions or caving to whenever he tries to reign in Wall Street.
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Knowing how politics works
and how to count to 270 electoral votes, that would 100% doom any shot of being reelcted, and hurt Dems down ticket all over the place

that sounds like a suggestion from the GOP playbook?
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It's effectively a protest vote and if the major Leftist party continues to not give a rat's ass about us liberals, they can face the consequences.

that's pretty selfish, don't you think? i can't have exactly what i want, so i'm going to help the idiot cowboy death clown from Texas get elected?
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Old 11-10-2011, 09:04 PM   #504
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Obama - 303 EVs
Romney - 235 EVs
Many states' electoral votes have changed due to the 2010 census with states gaining votes being blue states and those losing votes being Obama states. So factor that into your numbers. Some states may have adopted the Colorado rule of doling out electoral votes by district, not winner take al,l as well but I'm not sure about that.

Finally, Romney may be able to carry New Hampshire, Michigan and other states that McCain floundered in.
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The Electoral map is a little more complicated than in 2008, but not by much. It still mostly comes down to Florida and Ohio. Obama doesn't need Virginia and NC to win.
Rubio as the GOP VP choice makes Florida more in play, but Romney talking about Social Security changes could F*** that up. (And if I'm not mistaken, Romney is the most moderate of the GOP candidates on SS.)

At least it will be an early night. It seems quite likely that the Eastern Time Zone decides the 2012 election.
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Whether imposed by President Obama or the tree industry the salient point is the tax was stopped without one tent being erected in a park, one drum circle or one brick through a window.
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I don't get the tree tax BS. Painting it as a religious issue is pure laziness.

Menorahs and prayer rugs don't grow in the forest.
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Pine trees were also not present in Bethlehem, so..................
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Whether imposed by President Obama or the tree industry the salient point is the tax was stopped without one tent being erected in a park, one drum circle or one brick through a window.
Right, because the two situations are so similar as to invite comparison.
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The Electoral map is a little more complicated than in 2008, but not by much. It still mostly comes down to Florida and Ohio. Obama doesn't need Virginia and NC to win.
Rubio as the GOP VP choice makes Florida more in play, but Romney talking about Social Security changes could F*** that up. (And if I'm not mistaken, Romney is the most moderate of the GOP candidates on SS.)

At least it will be an early night. It seems quite likely that the Eastern Time Zone decides the 2012 election.
I think it is reasonable to assume if Florida and Ohio go for the same candidate, that side wins.

Romney polls best of the GOP in Florida, and if he gets the nom, he will have flopped back over to not talking about SS reform. Why scare the old folks?
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