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Old 10-02-2007, 01:45 AM   #1
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Illegal Aliens Murder 12 Americans Daily

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INVASION USA
Illegal aliens murder
12 Americans daily
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total
U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan

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Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Joseph Farah
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense

But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.

A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.

Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.

King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.

Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.

As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.

According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.

While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.

In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:

The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:58 AM   #2
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From your article, "Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research. "

Doesn't appear to be an objective source for the statistics provided. We'd need to track it back before I give it any validity. Research looks a little shoddy and disingenuous. Give me better stats.
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:10 AM   #3
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Although it isn't really funny, this bit is so true I couldn't help but laugh:

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"If Mexicans were taller and whiter," University of California, Berkeley, professor David Card told the magazine, "it would probably be a lot easier" for the public to accept the majority view of economists that the net effects of immigration, which is now predominantly Latino, are positive.
* it's from the link BonosSaint posted.
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Old 10-02-2007, 05:04 AM   #4
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Appears this is the GAO study referenced in AEON's quoted article.

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05337r.html

Violent Crimes Institute of Atlantic article referenced:

http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html#Illegals This is the findings of one researcher. It does not appear to be a widely studied issue.
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Wow! It looks like I moved out of the US and got away from all of those foreigners just in time!
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:18 AM   #6
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Quoting from the second link in my above postL

"Based on population numbers of 12,000,000 illegal immigrants and the fact that young males make up more of this population than the general U.S. population, sex offenders in the illegal immigrant group make up a higher percentage. When examining ICE reports and public records, it is consistent to find sex offenders comprising 2% of illegals apprehended. Based on this 2% figure, which is conservative, there are approximately 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States."

She's projecting these figures on a percentage of "apprehended" illegals, not the illegal population as a whole. I don't know the numbers. Point is nobody knows the numbers. And based on these stats in this article, we still don't know the numbers.

**Edited due to serious early morning mathematical error on my part which would have made me look completely like a dumbass and absolutely discredited any point I was making.
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How many illegal aliens are Americans murdering daily?
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How many illegal aliens are Americans murdering daily?
Doesn't matter. They aren't supposed to be here, so they don't count.
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I guess this is the "source" of FOX News' daily histrionic tirades about illegal immigrants killing Americans.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intel...le.jsp?sid=415

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THE CLAIM: Undocumented immigrants kill 25 Americans a day.
THE PURVEYORS: U.S. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), in a May 5, 2006, column on his website, claimed that a day without immigrants would create a far safer America: "The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals." King's claim has been repeated hundreds of times, sometimes by extremist activists like Clyde Harkins of the American Constitution Party, and frequently by radio hosts like Peter Boyles of Denver's KHOW-AM. Boyles also suggested last year that illegal immigrants had murdered 45,000 American citizens since Sept. 11, 2001.

THE FACTS: King claimed he had "extrapolated" his numbers from a study by the General Accounting Office, Congress' nonpartisan investigative arm, that he said showed 28% of inmates in local jails and state and federal prisons were "criminal aliens." What the GAO study actually showed was that 28% of all federal prisoners (federal prisoners make up 12%-17% of the total incarcerated population in the U.S.) were either legal or illegal immigrants. The study did not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants. It also stated that about 50% of those immigrants were only charged with being in the country illegally, a federal misdemeanor. Just 12% of the total in federal custody were there for murder, rape, robbery or other violent crimes. Regarding the claim of 45,000 Americans murdered by illegal immigrants, FBI statistics show some 85,000 murders from 9/11 to the end of 2006. If the claim by Boyles and others were true, that would mean undocumented immigrants, who make up under 4% of the U.S. population, were responsible for 53% of all murders.
Basically, if it's a bunch of fearmongering mucked up from FOX News or WorldNetDaily--and not reported by mainstream news outlets--it's most likely false!
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Basically, if it's a bunch of fearmongering mucked up from FOX News or WorldNetDaily--and not reported by mainstream news outlets--it's most likely false!
All media is excessively guilty of this. The truth on crime is nowhere to be found in the media at all.
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That's kind of what I figured, Melon. Thanks for checking this out.

I'd be generally suspicious of any study trying to quantify the effects of illegal aliens, whether positive or negative, simply because the very nature of illegals makes that type of research difficult. So when I read something about how illegals drain the economy by $X/day, or something like illegals actually benefit the economy by $X/day, I'm skeptical.

But since we're on the topic, comparing the victims of criminal illegals to war dead seems like apples and oranges. A better comparison would be the number of war dead in Iraq & Afghanistan vs. the number of deaths as a result of domestic terrorist activity.

That's not to say that it's OK that people are victims crimes committed by illegals; it's not. But trying to separate them out is a dangerous thing. It's interesting that many of the same folks who oppose hate crime laws because they supposedly minimize the gravity of "non-hate" crimes are willing to single out & elevate crimes committed by illegals, as if to say it's bad if you're murdered, but if you're murdered by an illegal it's worse. Ironic.
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The fact that a statistic like this is measured and given any true value is ludicrous. A muderer is a murderer regardless if they snuck over here from a small Mexican town, or were born and raised in a good ol', homegrown Texas family. One doesn't take the life of another because he/she has a first language other than English; one murders because he or she has hatred, and anger in their heart. (killings in self-defense or whatnot not included)
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Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
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While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Christ on a fucking bike, what the hell does any of this have to do with September 11th??

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Christ on a fucking bike, what the hell does any of this have to do with September 11th??

Makes it scarier.
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