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Old 10-05-2007, 04:47 PM   #181
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Well then I am certainly no bigot.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:01 PM   #182
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I see several posts that advocate a secure border, however, I would imagine these same folks are against a fence, more Border Patrol agents, or a National Guard presence along the border. They would also probably consider it racist to do such things (because if you don't agree with the Left - you are automatically a racist, bigot, or homophobe).

Saying you want a secure border is one thing. Actually doing something to secure it is another.

"You would imagine" what you imagine because if it were any other way, perhaps your politics just flat out wouldn't make sense anymore.

Is your entire foundation of ideas based on assumptions and generalizations about those who might oppose your ideas?
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:15 PM   #183
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HOW do we secure the border?
It's simple, remember?

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What about simply stopping them from being here at all?
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It's simple, remember?

It is simple. We need a fence, more Border Patrol, and the National Guard.
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It is simple. We need a fence, more Border Patrol, and the National Guard.


considering our National Guard units are building fences in Iraq and Afghanistan, where do you propose we get people to build it?

i hear Mexicans work real cheap
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:08 PM   #186
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:09 PM   #187
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considering our National Guard units are building fences in Iraq and Afghanistan, where do you propose we get people to build it?

i hear Mexicans work real cheap
We can certainly use the money we would save from stopping the illegal immigration tsumani to build the fence.

I'm sure there are quite a few National Guardsman who wouldn't mind be stationed stateside for a year.
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I'm sure there are quite a few National Guardsman who wouldn't mind be stationed stateside for a year.
On this we agree 100%.
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But we can't pull troops out of Iraq because that would embolden the enemy.

I mean, duh.


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Is your entire foundation of ideas based on assumptions and generalizations about those who might oppose your ideas?
The thing that bothers me, and why I don't engage in more debates here in FYM, is that virtually everyone has agreed that illegal immigration is an issue. Only one has come out in favor of it. So we have some common ground, right? Nope. Just the regular shell game, between the same cast of characters, and it sucks.

Now that I've vented , here are my ideas:

1. The best barrier, an invisible one, is to seriously crack down on American companies employing undocumented workers. Meaningful fines, penalties, whatever. I think the idea of no jobs would discourage illegals from crossing.
2. Temporary worker permits.
3. More border patrol agents in the field.
4. Increase electronic surveillance to allow agents to do their job more efficiently.
5. Walls should not be ruled out. Placed in strategic locations I believe it would help agents narrow the vast territory they must monitor. But a wall all the way from Texas to SoCal is ridiculous and ineffective.

Long term, the Mexican economy needs to get itself in gear. And the government quit looking the other way as their people flood across the border, and wire their paychecks from the states back home. That's for another post though, and it's a decades long project.

Finally, for the illegals already here, I don't see any option other than a plan you might as well call "amnesty." Bush didn't call his failed proposal amnesty, and no serious politician will. But they need to come up with a fancy name for it, and get it done. And it will amount to amnesty.
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:48 PM   #191
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I know where you can get the knowledge on how to build this wall.



Seriously, modern border control doesn't need to rely on this antiquated method.
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The thing that bothers me, and why I don't engage in more debates here in FYM, is that virtually everyone has agreed that illegal immigration is an issue. Only one has come out in favor of it. So we have some common ground, right? Nope. Just the regular shell game, between the same cast of characters, and it sucks.
Yup.
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Now that I've vented , here are my ideas:

1. The best barrier, an invisible one, is to seriously crack down on American companies employing undocumented workers. Meaningful fines, penalties, whatever. I think the idea of no jobs would discourage illegals from crossing.
2. Temporary worker permits.
3. More border patrol agents in the field.
4. Increase electronic surveillance to allow agents to do their job more efficiently.
5. Walls should not be ruled out. Placed in strategic locations I believe it would help agents narrow the vast territory they must monitor. But a wall all the way from Texas to SoCal is ridiculous and ineffective.

Long term, the Mexican economy needs to get itself in gear. And the government quit looking the other way as their people flood across the border, and wire their paychecks from the states back home. That's for another post though, and it's a decades long project.

Finally, for the illegals already here, I don't see any option other than a plan you might as well call "amnesty." Bush didn't call his failed proposal amnesty, and no serious politician will. But they need to come up with a fancy name for it, and get it done. And it will amount to amnesty.
In tandem with streamlining the citizenship application process, I can agree with all of this.
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In tandem with streamlining the citizenship application process, I can agree with all of this.


i'm on board as well.
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No problem with any of that. Practical, maybe doable.
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