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Old 11-29-2006, 01:49 PM   #1
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I agree with what benny says, how about you?

Ben Stein:

Something not to laugh about :

If they know of him at all, many folks think Ben Stein is just a quirky actor/comedian who talks in a monotone.
He's also a very intelligent attorney who knows how to put ideas and words together in such a way as to sway juries and make people think clearly.

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

Herewith at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart: I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are. I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying my dog biscuits and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores. They never know who Nick and Jessica are either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they have broken up? Why are they so important?

I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I do not care at all about Tom Cruise's wife.

Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I am a subversive? Maybe, but I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are.

If this is what it means to be no longer young. It's not so bad.

Next confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don' t feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas" to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a crèche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this Happen?" (regarding Katrina)
Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about and we said OK.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
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It's very articulate and well written. I like it.
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:04 PM   #3
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Sorry, but I'm one of the non-believers that make this world such a cruel place
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:14 PM   #5
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Starting at "In light of the many jokes..." the article is a hoax. The first part was written my Stein the rest was added by internet morons. Just a quick glance at Snopes.com would prove helpful before posting an email forward.

The second half is full of lies, Dr. Spock's son did not commit suicide, but if you are one not to let facts get in the way, then please believe.
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I'm a practicing Catholic, but I don't quite agree with this letter. He says we've kicked God out of the schools. No, not quite. We've separated Church and state and kept teacher-led prayer out of schools. We Catholics have parochial schools that have masses and theology teaching for our kids because we don't want this in the public schools. Most people don't. Oh, sure, they want this in my state, Alabama. We don't have it, though, and I'm glad.
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:31 PM   #7
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Quote:
Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
Starting at "In light of the many jokes..." the article is a hoax. The first part was written my Stein the rest was added by internet morons. Just a quick glance at Snopes.com would prove helpful before posting an email forward.

The second half is full of lies, Dr. Spock's son did not commit suicide, but if you are one not to let facts get in the way, then please believe.
That's why there is such a twist in the text.

Because, up to the "In the light of..." I totally agree.

But after that the text reads like if I, and others who don't believe in God, are just criminals and so on.
But before the text focussed more on intolerance I think, and on interest in celebreties private lifes.
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i find it very interesting how self-described conservatives are now the ones who wallow in victimhood, self-pity, woe-is-me, cheap sentimentality, and doe-eyed magical thinking.

where liberals thought we could make the world a better place if multicultural teenagers would join hands and sing on a hilltop, today, conservatives believe the world would be better if white nuclear families just prayed a little harder and Jesus made more appearances in federal buildings.
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Old 11-29-2006, 03:36 PM   #9
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Like Bonovox posted, hoax email.

Regards to the suppression of religion, umm, religious people are the majority, not non-theists. Non-theists are hiding from the majority. I think the idea that the US is an explicitly athiest country is coming from the evangelicals as they try to impose religion on every facet of society. Any attempt to solidify the separation of state and religion is deemed an attack on God. Hence, the ridiculous fear of some that there is a war on God and the predominance of an athiest culture.

It will take a millennia or so before humans move on to a new god so stop worrying. Zeus, Quetzalcoatl, Odin, Wakan-Tanka and Ra all had their days in the spotlight too.
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I even got this mail in spanish
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i find it very interesting how self-described conservatives are now the ones who wallow in victimhood, self-pity, woe-is-me, cheap sentimentality, and doe-eyed magical thinking.

It baffles me too, yet they are the ones constantly pointing fingers at people yelling "they are just playing victim".
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Too bad the poll didn't have an option for "I agree w/ Ben Stein, but not the added BS at the end." I abstain.

All you have to do is look at the currency to see what view is dominant in the country. Knowing how many people spend that money that has God printed on it is rather ironic.
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:45 PM   #13
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He lost me when he implied God sent Katrina to punish people. I guess I deserve some horrible fate too, simply because I believe combining church and state is a terrible thing for BOTH church and state.
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This is just another Fundamentalist Right Wing Christian paranoia piece...having said that I totally agree people should be allowed to say "Merry CHRISTmas" and that nativity scenes should NOT be banned from public spaces!!!
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Too bad the poll didn't have an option for "I agree w/ Ben Stein, but not the added BS at the end." I abstain.


well, the Ben Stein part was a crock of shit

and the "added" part
is just a double crock of shit, that's all
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