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Old 03-01-2007, 09:20 AM   #1
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Hell No, No Gay Kissing In My Pub

Gee, I would assume he doesn't allow straight kissing in his pub, right? Yeah. I wonder how he defines inappropriate behavior. That's an interesting question-what are your personal standards about PDA, what is appropriate and where? Obviously that is different from what a business can be allowed to get away with, and if you're going to have a set of standards as to what you consider appropriate in your business they have to be applied equally to all people.

If this is true, well it just makes me very sad and angry that something like that can happen to someone because of a kiss. I don't know why he waited so long to file a lawsuit, not that it's even relevant to the case.

A gay kiss spurred violent ouster from bar, lawsuit says

By Matt Viser, Globe Staff | March 1, 2007

A Boston man is accusing Jeremiah Foley, a member of the family that runs the well-known J.J. Foley's pubs in Boston, of assaulting him and physically throwing him out of the chain's bar in the Leather District because he was kissing another man.

Martin T. Keenan says in a civil lawsuit filed this week in Suffolk Superior Court that Foley grabbed and forcibly removed him from the bar in September 2005 and in the process broke one of Keenan's fingers and caused permanent disfigurement.

The action was "extreme and outrageous in a civilized society," the lawsuit says.

The five-page lawsuit says that Keenan suffered emotional distress and that the broken finger required surgery. The lawsuit did not specify the damages sought by Keenan.

Foley said yesterday that he was unaware of the lawsuit and that he did not remember an incident like the one described. He added that he normally works at J.J. Foley's on East Berkeley Street in the South End.

"That's a long time ago," he said. "I don't recall."

Foley said he has not been served with court papers informing him of the suit, but said he would probably hire a lawyer to handle the case.

He said his family's establishments, which draw a large cross section of people, are open to all, and he doesn't ask or care about his patrons' sexual orientation.

"It's none of my business," Foley said.

He said he occasionally has to remove patrons for "inappropriate behavior," but he did not recall the two men kissing. Asked whether he would allow two men to kiss in one of his establishments, Foley said: "Hell no. What would you think?"

Keenan's lawyer, Adam A. Rowe , declined to elaborate on the lawsuit, which includes charges of negligence, assault and battery, and emotional distress.

"It is what it is," he said. "He was there at the restaurant. He was forcibly removed and suffered injuries that required surgery."

He said the kissing was consensual.

Rowe declined to make his client available to discuss the lawsuit, and Keenan could not be located yesterday by phone or at the address listed in court documents.

The injuries have caused "permanent scarring and disfigurement" and has inhibited his "ability to work and earn income," the lawsuit says. "His ability to enjoy life has been permanently and severely damaged."

No court date has been set.

The J.J. Foley's pubs have been institutions in Boston for years. The Leather District location is typically frequented by a variety of customers, including famous musicians performing in the city.

The South End bar, founded in 1909, has been a storied watering hole frequented by late-shift workers, including cops and reporters from Boston's newspaper row, and such familiar Boston figures as former mayor Raymond L. Flynn.
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i wonder if 2 women would've been kicked out for kissing.
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i wonder if 2 women would've been kicked out for kissing.
More likely they would have been given free drinks.
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Either way, this lawsuit can't be good for JJ Foley's pub.
That bartender is a real asshole.
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i wonder if 2 women would've been kicked out for kissing.


depends if they were hot or not.
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To be honest if 2 gays were kissing infront of me i would feel a bit uncomfortable, saying that i always feel uncomfortable when people are kissing infront of me.
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It's not the bartender, he's a member of the Foley family. Unless he works there as a bartender. And being uncomfortable with gay PDA is never a justification for anyone to assault someone, if that indeed did happen. It goes beyond all credibility to believe that no heterosexuals have ever kissed in that place.
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I wonder if the bar owner would've kicked Shaq and Tracy McGrady out for kissing.

Or Charles Barkley, if he was, once again, kissing the old ref like he did at the All-Star game.
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No, because two guys kissing in any sort of "joking" way is perfectly acceptable. Real love and affection is just so scary and offensive and gross.

And that would be two STRAIGHT guys, it's never acceptable apparently for two gay guys to kiss.
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The assault may be undue but I think that allowing lesbians and hetero couples to kiss but not gay men should fall within the scope of the owners rights.
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The assault may be undue but I think that allowing lesbians and hetero couples to kiss but not gay men should fall within the scope of the owners rights.
How do you justify that? If gay people can't kiss then straight people can't either, or else it's discrimination. Private business or not. Gay people shouldn't have to go to a gay bar to be able to kiss, even though I'm sure even in 2007 most of them do because they live in fear of certain situations. It's a kiss for God's sake, they're not having sex or anything remotely similar. I have seen straight people practically have sex in public (and have seen it once in a parking lot of a park). Where is the outrage about that?

And the assault is undue, there's no may be.

I assume gay people can still kiss goodbye in a place such as an airport-should we not allow that either?
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The assault may be undue but I think that allowing lesbians and hetero couples to kiss but not gay men should fall within the scope of the owners rights.
Would those owners rights extend just for sexual orientation or for other criteria also?
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The assault may be undue but I think that allowing lesbians and hetero couples to kiss but not gay men should fall within the scope of the owners rights.
or letting just white people in...
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The assault may be undue but I think that allowing lesbians and hetero couples to kiss but not gay men should fall within the scope of the owners rights.


actually, i agree.

the owner is an idiot and a bigot, but he's perfectly entitled to run an idiotic and bigoted establishment.

however, what would we say if he threw out a black man kissing a white woman? would that cause any legal repercussions?
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