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Old 04-13-2012, 01:05 PM   #601
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Lawrence O'Donnell=a piece of work:

LDS Living - MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell apologizes for anti-Mormon comments

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As an American, I believe that we should give equal treatment to people from all faiths and religious backgrounds, even if their faith is a 200 years-recent add-on expansion pack for Christianity that came on a charming set of magical golden plates.
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what i love about Mormonism is that it's really no more ridiculous than any other religion. it delights me when people try to point out how made up it sounds, like it's no different than any other snake oil that was sold to Americans in the 19th century. and it really does sound that way. but, hey, so are immaculate conceptions and parting seas and flying up to heaven.

and also because it doesn't really matter. if people believe it, it becomes true for them. and if it helps them to be better people then they are better for it.
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As he works to energize the conservative base ahead of the general election, Mitt Romney came to the annual gathering of the National Rifle Association on Friday seeking support from a powerful group that has not always embraced him. His backing while Massachusetts governor of key laws opposed by the national gun lobby--an assault weapons ban and a waiting period to buy firearms--has engendered skepticism, if not hostility, among many gun owners.

But in the speech he delivered here, Mr. Romney breezed past those issues to touch a more fundamental nerve: the gun lobby’s fear that a second term for President Obama would give him another Supreme Court appointee. The 4.3-million-member gun group fears that a remade court could lead to restrictions on firearms. “In his first term,” Mr. Romney’s said, “we’ve seen the president try to browbeat the Supreme Court. In a second term, he would remake it. Our freedoms would be in the hands of an Obama court, not just for four years, but for the next 40. That must not happen.’’ Before Mr. Romney spoke, a spokesman for the gun lobby, Andrew Arulanandam, said it was looking for exactly this kind of statement. Mr. Arulanandam said that the biggest fear of NRA members was that an altered Supreme Court might reverse two 5-to-4 rulings since 2008 interpreting the Second Amendment as guaranteeing a fundamental right to individuals to bear arms. The most recent ruling, the McDonald case in 2010, is seen as opening the way for challenges to local laws restricting gun ownership.

Another goal for Mr. Romney here is to close some of the cultural gap with gun owners. He was lampooned during his 2008 run for the Republican nomination for exaggerating his hunting career, at one point, when pressed, saying that the game he had experience with were rodents and rabbits, “small varmints, if you will.’’ More recently, Mr. Romney revealed that he owned a couple of firearms, and in a debate in January he described a hunting trip to Montana. His guide on that outing was a respected sportsman, Rob Keck, who in an interview described taking Mr. Romney for two days of hunting elk and for one shooting pheasants on a private ranch. “He admittedly didn’t grow up hunting,’’ Mr. Keck said, “but let me tell you, he accounted for a number of birds on that day.’’ So it was probably no surprise that Mr. Romney has been accompanied here by Mr. Keck, the director of conservation for Bass Pro Shops.

It remains to be seen whether hunters who view gun rights as a top issue will enthusiastically support Mr. Romney in November. David Ross, a longtime NRA member from Reading, PA, who has been a grass-roots organizer for conservative candidates in his battleground state, was skeptical. “Romney needs to get people like me passionate enough for his campaign to win in November, and I think that’s going to be heavy lifting,’’ said Mr. Ross, who was attending the convention with his son, Clinton, an Army reservist. “He was for an assault weapons ban when he was Massachusetts governor. What changed? And how do we know he’s not going to change back? This is the chameleonlike thinking that is my biggest fear.’’
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“I think it’s really simple. It’s because government’s now telling them ‘stop dreaming, stop striving, we’ll take care of you.’ We’re turning into a paternalistic entitlement society.”

That will not just bankrupt us financially, it will bankrupt us morally because when the American people no longer believe that this a place where only their willingness to work hard and to act with honor and integrity and ingenuity determines their success in life then we’ll have a bunch of people sittin’ on a couch waiting for their next government check Obama Bucks.”
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^What a load of crap.

Does what Obama actually says matter at all, or are you just content to make it all up?
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“I think it’s really simple. It’s because government’s now telling them ‘stop dreaming, stop striving, we’ll take care of you.’ We’re turning into a paternalistic entitlement society.”

“That will not just bankrupt us financially, it will bankrupt us morally because when the American people no longer believe that this a place where only their willingness to work hard and to act with honor and integrity and ingenuity determines their success in life then we’ll have a bunch of people sittin’ on a couch waiting for their next government check Obama Bucks.”
--Chris Christie April 2012
See what I'm talking about Garrison?

Complete shit, and I dare any intelligent individual to defend this.
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The truth of this matter is that those benefits are temporary and not eternal.

Why do they always put blacks as the typical lazy stereotype on things like this?
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Wow, it's like they tailor-made a clip to support Indy's viewpoints.

Must be nice to ignore all the white families receiving unemployment benefits. Drive around Michigan sometime and you'll see Whitey getting his Obama Bucks as well, in order to feed his two children in his 20,000 $ home.
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*Raises hand as one of those white people whose family has collected unemployment/food stamps/government aid before*

I also love the insinuation that if one gets unemployment or other government aid that all they do is sit around on their ass and enjoy it. I really, REALLY wish the Chris Christies of the world could come talk to my family once. Please. I beg of you. My parents have been unemployed before, and guess what? They...GASP...went out and looked for more jobs! Any job, didn't matter what it was or how much it paid. Part-time, full-time, minimum wage, whatever, they took anything they could get and sometimes worked two jobs to try and keep us afloat. They HATED having to rely on food stamps. They only asked for help when they felt there was absolutely NO OTHER OPTION AVAILABLE. And even then, they still had too much pride in them, they found the situation embarrassing and wanted to fix it as soon as possible. And when things started looking up again financially, they didn't keep on with the government aid, they let it go.

I know this sort of story flies in the face of some people's preconceived notions about the "poor" and "lower class" in society, but call me crazy, I'm a fan of facts and reality, and I think it's way past time for those things to start factoring into a conversation. See, this is part of why people have a problem with the GOP. How much more fucking patronizing and insulting can one get?

And I won't even start on the bullshit NRA/gun lobby "Obama will take away our guns" crap. Love that people that paranoid and delusional are the ones advocating expansion of gun usage. So comforting.
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The truth of this matter is that those benefits are temporary and not eternal.

Why do they always put blacks as the typical lazy stereotype on things like this?
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Wow, it's like they tailor-made a clip to support Indy's viewpoints.

Must be nice to ignore all the white families receiving unemployment benefits. Drive around Michigan sometime and you'll see Whitey getting his Obama Bucks as well, in order to feed his two children in his 20,000 $ home.
You know who made that video, right? It was Alexandra Pelosi, daughter of Nancy Pelosi, and it originally aired on Bill Maher over a month ago. They also had a video of racist, toothless white rednecks in Mississippi who refused to take handouts from the govt / Obama "cuz he's black" or whatever. So there you go..

While the benefits are often temporary, and definitely needed by many, what this video illustrates is that there are far too many people who really are abusing the system.

As one of the 51% of Americans who works hard and pays taxes, why should i continue to support the people who are freeloading off of the system? You can take Obama out of the equation even, because this has been going on long before he was POTUS, and will continue to do so long after he's done. I'd like to see the people who honestly need help get help, its the Christian thing to do, but the people in this video dont need my support to buy their cans of bud and be "single - ready to mingle"
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As one of the 51% of Americans who works hard and pays taxes, why should i continue to support the people who are freeloading off of the system?
Why do you keep repeating something that is patently false? The remaining 49% pay federal payroll and excise tax, state and local sales, income and property taxes.
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You know who made that video, right? It was Alexandra Pelosi, daughter of Nancy Pelosi, and it originally aired on Bill Maher over a month ago. They also had a video of racist, toothless white rednecks in Mississippi who refused to take handouts from the govt / Obama "cuz he's black" or whatever. So there you go..
There you go what? What does that prove?
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You can take Obama out of the equation even, because this has been going on long before he was POTUS, and will continue to do so long after he's done.
But why does this point seem to get completely lost in today's narrative?
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^What a load of crap.

Does what Obama actually says matter at all, or are you just content to make it all up?
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE !! YOU COULD MAKE THE SAME VIDEO INTERVIEWING PEOPLE OF ANY SKIN COLOR IN ANY CITY IN THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's a reason I put in bold “That will not just bankrupt us financially, it will bankrupt us morally." Because that is exactly what is happening.

As Newt Gingrich said in the campaign, "these programs aren't safety nets they're spider webs" that trap people in dependency, keeps them in poverty and at the bottom and deprives them of the dignity of a job.

As I've said, it's not just the loss of monetary capital its the loss of human capital these programs bring on.
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As Newt Gingrich said in the campaign, "these programs aren't safety nets they're spider webs" that trap people in dependency, keeps them in poverty and at the bottom and deprives them of the dignity of a job.
But where is the solution? Newt didn't have one(well except repealing child labor laws), the GOP didn't have one, the Dems don't have one. These safety nets alone are the not the problem. The ability to so easilily abuse them is the problem, but it's only a problem for some. But these programs have very little to do with the problem of keeping people in the cycle of poverty. That problem is contributed to a flaw in the entire system, yes the one you find flawless. Pure and unregulated capitalism.
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