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Old 11-20-2005, 07:29 PM   #16
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I find it interesting how much of hetero culture is based on the idealization of women and self-deprecation of men. But I think the latter is more laziness; they're looking for their "savior" in a supermodel wife that mothers them and has sex on-demand.

Makes me glad I'm gay.

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yeah... that's very cliché.

you would be upset if someone start to talk about gay stereotypes... so, why do you use stereotypes about the "hetero culture" ??????

at least I could laugh of the joke (and it is cause I know that it is not the true)
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you would be upset if someone start to talk about gay stereotypes... so, why do you use stereotypes about the "hetero culture" ??????
Don't shoot the messenger. I'm merely reporting the stereotypes that television sitcoms and that original joke perpetuates. It's my view that "homophobia" is merely a regurgitation of heterosexual self-deprecation. So, really, blatant "homophobia" is really latent "heterophobia," if you think about it. Jokes about "gay men" are really a reflection of how they view two heterosexual men if they got together.

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If that was the case then surely the stereotype of the gay man would be less effeminate and more in line with those of men in general.

I don't doubt that most sitcoms use the generic lazy man formula, but is that not just more because it is so generic and workable rather than a sinister reflection of "heterosexual culture".
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Old 11-21-2005, 07:31 AM   #19
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i thought this thread would actually be a geography lesson. now i am disappointed.
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I love this sensitive side of deep, did someone else take over his PC?

if that geography lesson is supposed to be funny, it's lost on me

The correlation between pitches and men = they all start out like the Curt Schilling of 04 but then you always end up w/ the Curt Schilling of 05, w/ the body of David Wells
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If that was the case then surely the stereotype of the gay man would be less effeminate and more in line with those of men in general.

I don't doubt that most sitcoms use the generic lazy man formula, but is that not just more because it is so generic and workable rather than a sinister reflection of "heterosexual culture".
The "effeminacy" is the only truly "gay" part of that stereotype, which, really, is a caricature of how they imagine two heterosexual women being if they were together. But in terms of being irresponsible, bad parents, few sitcoms ever show heterosexual fathers being responsible parents. The wives are always there to save the day.

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Who is "they" exactly, television writers?
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no humor in FYM
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I love this sensitive side of deep, did someone else take over his PC?

if that geography lesson is supposed to be funny, it's lost on me

The correlation between pitches and men = they all start out like the Curt Schilling of 04 but then you always end up w/ the Curt Schilling of 05, w/ the body of David Wells

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But in terms of being irresponsible, bad parents, few sitcoms ever show heterosexual fathers being responsible parents. The wives are always there to save the day.
Because it's funny. Real families aren't nearly as entertaining to watch as stupid TV families.

Do you really think generic sitcoms that portray the nuclear family in that manner are an accurate reflection of today's society? I mean, I can't speak for everyone, but in all of the families I know, the situation is far different that what you might see on TV.
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clearly, another gay vs hetero debate!


righto. i'm off to go find my humour.
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