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Old 01-25-2006, 11:18 PM   #1
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Ok I know many here hate the Bush Administration. I have problems with them in certain areas. Now many of you say we should not go into other countries to resolve their problems. So would that mean Kosovo, and other eastern European countries.
Why should the US or UN intervine in any countries problem, let them sort it out, right. I can't say that Bush was right in going into Iraq cause of WMD's. But how could we let the actions of a leader who tortures, and executes people, because they talked bad about their regime.

This is a link to the Foundation for the defence of Democracy, where it shows what saddam had done to his people. Why would it be ok for us to go in a white european eastern european country where an ethnic population was being massacred, but not in a country where a country is consisted of darker skinned people. Are we the same "Human Beings?"

Warning the videos are graphic in nature watch at your own risk. This is what was happening before the US went in. Like I said I dont agree with the war but Saddam also had to be stopped.

http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

*warning videos are graphic and not for the faint of heart.*
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There are many other nations that have abysmal human rights records that the US doesn't seem intent on stopping any time soon and some of them the US actually is on friendly terms with. It's not that cut and dry.
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I know and I agree. The congo is another place,Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea
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Why should the US or UN intervine in any countries problem, let them sort it out, right.
I agree in intervention personally...for example, UN intervention and better forms of aid. Military intervention is another story.
What I find discouraging is that the US government tends to be seeing only one way of dealing with international relations--and that's through military force...saddens me.
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And the problem with the UN also is they turn their backs on many people (example Rwanda) 1,000,000 people were killed which could have been prevented had the UN done something sooner.
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The UN definetly is not without it's faults... I think they forget sometimes the entire reason why it was created in the first place....
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I agree. On top of that they have become as corrupt as many of the people they are supposed to keep in check.
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The UN definetly is not without it's faults... I think they forget sometimes the entire reason why it was created in the first place....
Child rape and kickbacks?
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We all have to choose our battles. Even Superman had to pass up a few battles. Hell even Jesus didn't bring everyone back to life or heal every leper.

We aren't the world police. We have to ask ourselves about the short term consequences and the long term consequences, we have to ask ourselves will this energy and resources be best used here or there? Do we help our neighbor when we have problems in our own backyard?

This isn't a black and white issue. I honestly don't think there is a foolproof lithmus test to run through.

Plus as a nation you have to ask yourself is this legal???

Now that being said, I find the invasion of Iraq to be an invasion that didn't pass a few tests. It fails the longterm consequences tremendously, and a few others that I won't get into at this time.
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Did the leaving Saddam in power choice pass this "global test"?
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The majority of the people in Iraq wanted the US to finish the Job and get saddam out of power, but I think Bush Senior knew it would be a mistake and cause alot more deaths if that happened, as we see today.
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We played our own hand in creating the monster Saddam, don't forget. The whole thing is such a mess.

And the issue of "world police"...what exactly do you mean by that? I don't want to respond improperly to what you meant by the term.
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Did the leaving Saddam in power choice pass this "global test"?
It must be nice to live in such a black and white world...

Has the idea that leaving a kindergarden democracy in the hands of ameteurs surrounded by folks that would love to take over, past your test?

The problem with the whole "Saddam is a bad guy" mentality is that it has no long term. It just stops there.

We all agree he was a fucker.

But not one person from this administration nor you have given any answer as to the long run. Why is that?

Also what about all those that are worse than he? It's a strawman test.
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The majority of the people in Iraq wanted the US to finish the Job and get saddam out of power, but I think Bush Senior knew it would be a mistake and cause alot more deaths if that happened, as we see today.
Eh...I think some people in govt. thought we'd be hailed as liberators....not the case however at all.
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And the issue of "world police"...what exactly do you mean by that? I don't want to respond improperly to what you meant by the term.
Are you asking me?
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