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Old 11-30-2004, 05:46 PM   #91
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Well, I am trying to get back to the original question.

Classical music in general. Take it out of the schools?

VHI save the music my ass.
Who said anything about classical music in general? You're not understanding the issue.
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There should be no problem with traditional Christian Christmas songs being played or taught, freedom of religion and not freedom from religion etc.

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Yes the PC movement goes too far, I'll be the first to agree with that. But there is still a difference in the private and public sector.
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Old 11-30-2004, 06:47 PM   #94
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Who said anything about classical music in general? You're not understanding the issue
Did you read my original post? The very first post? I think I am understanding the issue.

Most of what my wife does for Madrigal Dinner is classical, which in turn is religious.

Hello? We really are talking about banning most classical music.

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Great article A_Wanderer!

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Labour peer Lord Ahmed, one of the country's most prominent Moslem politicians, said: 'It is stupid to think Moslems would be offended.

'The Moslem community has been talking to Christians for the past 1,400 years. The teachings from Islam are that you should respect other faiths.'
But, the Red Cross shops are public places! Separation of Christ and Public Places Please!

Do they know it's Christmas? No! Cause it might offend them!
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but there's a huge difference between having non-Christian high schoolers sing "hallelujah" and classical music in general. let's take U2 music. largely Christian inspired, especially in the beginning, but it's not explictly worshipful -- except for some October stuff, like "Tomorow," which, btw, Bono and Adam redid in a less overtly Christian manner. is WTSHNN about heaven or about belfast or nevada? this isn't an all or nothing thing -- why can't a teacher look at the vast amount of music that's out there and judiciously choose something with musical merit that isn't explicit in it's worshipful intent?
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but it's not explictly worshipful
Tell that to Bono in a concert, reciting psalms and all that stuff. God walks into the room my ass.
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Great article A_Wanderer!



But, the Red Cross shops are public places! Separation of Christ and Public Places Please!

Do they know it's Christmas? No! Cause it might offend them!

the Red Cross is a private, charitable organization. public schools are funded by money collected from the taxpayers. there is a world of difference. private schools and organizations can do whatever they damn well please.

this isn't about public spaces, but about federally funded places like schools, post offices, the DMV, whatever.
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why can't a teacher look at the vast amount of music that's out there and judiciously choose something with musical merit that isn't explicit in it's worshipful intent?
Ok, let's see. We'll have to cut out music from 1400-1800. Sounds good eh?
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Tell that to Bono in a concert, reciting psalms and all that stuff. God walks into the room my ass.

bono is usually *thrilled* when is lyrics have myriad meanings. "streets" meant one thing to him when he wrote it, meant something else in '93, and something else in '01. i read "one" as an embracing of the gay community and a response to the AIDS crisis. you might read it differently. he'd be happy with either.

notice he says God and *not* Jesus. another big difference.
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Ok, let's see. We'll have to cut out music from 1400-1800. Sounds good eh?

yes, i think we can cut out Handel's Messiah but keep Bethoven's 5th. or Pachabell's Canon.

this isn't so hard.
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notice he says God and *not* Jesus. another big difference.
Heaven forbid he'd ever say Jesus. Its probably more like Jaysus anyway.

seperation of Church and Bono my ***
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Okay, okay, let's all take a deep breath in this thread. Please?

MI may be on to something, though. I used to be a hardcore choir nerd, and I remember performing classical music, a LOT...and the vast majority of it was sacred music.
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Bethoven's 5th
A tribute to the Masons? Talk about weird religious symbolism.

An the problem with Pachalbel, is that even though the canon might not have words, it still had religious inspirations, written for the church. Is it cool if the music was christian inspired by as long as it doesn't have words? Would that offend the Hindu children?
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Most of what my wife does for Madrigal Dinner is classical, which in turn is religious.

Madrigal Dinner is not a required event for all students to participate.

Yes some classical music is religious but that does not = classical music.
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