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Old 01-13-2006, 02:07 PM   #136
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Old 01-13-2006, 06:29 PM   #137
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ANyone else hear about Jack Layton's use of a private health care facility for a hernia surgery?

Too funny.
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Old 01-14-2006, 12:01 AM   #138
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Just out of interest where in the country is everyone from, your riding?

Me, Edmoton East.

Peter Goldring is my MP, you know the idiot that wants to take over the Turks and Cacos!!

You?
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Old 01-14-2006, 12:06 AM   #139
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I saw the "Choose Your Canada" advertisments on the Liberal Party website

They are almost beyond parody.
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Old 01-14-2006, 12:07 AM   #140
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I saw the "Choose Your Canada" advertisments on the Liberal Party website

They are almost beyond parody.
Except the Harper fake interview TV ads are pretty bad too.

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The ads are beyond lame...it's desperation at its worst.

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Old 01-14-2006, 01:01 PM   #142
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In response to the teacher posts...

What Harris was doing is not as simple as portrayed as gutting the public school system.
You have to understand that the teachers union has an absolute stranglehold on the government. Their financial demands increased significantly every year. They are one of the most powerful union in Ontario, and for a generation acted with a supreme sense of self entitlement, they spent as they wished and the boards did not over see as they were entrusted to. Year after year they were over budget, and expected it to be made up by sacrifices by others. Not only did the education expenses go up, academic performance was plummeting. So was more money the solution? NO. No politician e ver wanted to tackle the teachers union head on, until Harris came. It was a thankless job and he was betrayed by even the parents who are the tax payers.

Harris saw that we were falling behind the developed world and especially Asia and wanted to infuse the system with accountability. He began with the "independent" boards, not the unionized teachers, yet no one complained at the sloth and waste of the overseeing boards, but empathized with the "poor overworked teachers". Who have security and pension to die for.

Quite frankly, Harris' education budgets did wonders for schools in my area. Several High schools were the absolute pits in the mid 90's and throwing more money was not the solution. After bill 160, the money albeit less of it was spent wiser, and these schools currently stand light years ahead of their previous state.

It was this reform that Harris tried to infuse. Do the same thing with less money. But Teachers and naive parents fought back and McGuinty sold his soul to the devil and backed them. Now he realizes his mistake and has himself in the corner. This problem needs an out of the box solution, but nobody wants to face up to it.
God bless those impoverished teachers as we stumble idly into the 21st century..


For kyoto:

Read this.
h t t p://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/KyotoCommentary.pdf
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Old 01-14-2006, 01:09 PM   #143
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They are almost beyond parody.
Actually This Hour has 22 Minutes parodied them beautifully last night.

Air Farce kicked ass too...much needed comic relief from this poor excuse for an election.
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Old 01-14-2006, 01:25 PM   #144
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The bloggers are having a field day too...
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Stephen Harper has a dog.

You know who else had a dog?

Hitler.

Adolf Hitler.

That's who.

Did Stephen Harper train his dog to attack racial minorities on command?

We don't know.

He's not saying.

Choose Your Canada.

* * *

The leader of the Conservative Party of Canada is named "Stephen".

As in "St. Stephen".

The name of a saint.

A Christian saint.

Christian like Adolf Hitler.

Does Stephen Harper have a hidden agenda to turn Canada into a Christian theocracy?

We don't know.

He isn't saying.

Choose your Canada.

* * *

Stephen Harper ate at a Tex-Mex place once.

You know what the "Tex" in Tex-Mex stands for?

Texas.

George W. Bush's home state.

And you know who else would have liked Tex-Mex food if he were alive today?

Adolf Hitler.

We're not making this up.

Choose your Canada.
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Old 01-14-2006, 01:44 PM   #145
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The bloggers are having a field day too...
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Stephen Harper has a dog.

You know who else had a dog?

Hitler.

Adolf Hitler.

That's who.

Did Stephen Harper train his dog to attack racial minorities on command?

We don't know.

He's not saying.

Choose Your Canada.

* * *

The leader of the Conservative Party of Canada is named "Stephen".

As in "St. Stephen".

The name of a saint.

A Christian saint.

Christian like Adolf Hitler.

Does Stephen Harper have a hidden agenda to turn Canada into a Christian theocracy?

We don't know.

He isn't saying.

Choose your Canada.

* * *

Stephen Harper ate at a Tex-Mex place once.

You know what the "Tex" in Tex-Mex stands for?

Texas.

George W. Bush's home state.

And you know who else would have liked Tex-Mex food if he were alive today?

Adolf Hitler.

We're not making this up.

Choose your Canada.

Absolutely hilarious! I love it!
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Old 01-14-2006, 02:02 PM   #146
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i sort of agree with what d7feelgood has to say about the teachers union in ontario.

that might not make some people happy.
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Old 01-14-2006, 02:23 PM   #147
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Originally posted by djfeelgood This problem needs an out of the box solution, but nobody wants to face up to it.
So does healthcare. Now that the baby boomers are turning 60, most people have absolutely no idea of the tsunami about to hit our healthcare system over the next 20 years...or what to do about it.

Boomers will be the richest generation ever and as retirees will outnumber working, taxpaying Canadians.

I just hope whoever has to deal with it has as big cahones as Harris.
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i sort of agree with what d7feelgood has to say about the teachers union in ontario.
He has several valid points when it comes to OECTA, etc.

First of all, teachers in Ontario are very, very well compensated. Yes, they do an important job and I do hold them in high regard - my Mom is one after all. The highest level of pay in her school board, for senior teachers with a number of years of experience + a Masters degree + specialized courses is just over $80K. That is a lot considering that you get anywhere from 3-5 times the vacation time anyone else gets. And while they do work in off hours, and no, they don't go home at 3:30, well neither do the rest of us and we are not compensated for it nor are we home all July and August or 2 weeks at Christmas or March break. I have worked 51 week years for a fraction of the pay. Not to mention, teachers are holders of a professional degree which cost them very, very little in terms of both time and money. They either did a concurrent 4 year program, which means it cost them absolutely nothing extra or a 1 year added on BEd which cost them $6K. Compare that with other professional degrees in Ontario like Pharmacy (4 additional years @ $11K/year), Physiotherapy (2 additional years @ $10K), Optometry (4 additional years @ $12K), Law (3 additional years @ $15K), Medicine (4 additional years @ $16K), Dentistry (3 additional years @ $20K), etc, etc and you can quickly see that as far as professionals go, teachers did not devote either much extra time to their degree nor did they put in absurd sums of money into their education. So as far as compensation, pension, benefits are concerned, IMO the teachers in Ontario don't have a leg to stand on.

The thing I disagree with, however, is that standardized testing has been a productive means of improving the system. Standardized testing is biased, and it is not a true measure of one's potential. Furthermore it is an expensive endeavour, and often results in teachers teaching the kids how to score highly on the tests rather than teaching them how to think critically. When you are asked to memorize and regurgitate in order to satisfy a provincial requirement, you are not learning for the sake of learning or betterment, but in order to meet a standard. It's completely counterproductive, and what's more once you get to the post-secondary level, it can be hurtful. I entered University during the Mike Harris era, and I can't tell you how many professors expressed that high school kids need to be re-taught everything because they were never encouraged to think or to problem solve. Instead the standardized testing forced them into a rigid curriculum and prepared them poorly for academia beyond elementary or high school.
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Old 01-14-2006, 04:45 PM   #149
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I can't believe the Globe and Mail endorsed the Conservatives today

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../BNStory/Front
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Old 01-14-2006, 05:24 PM   #150
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I can't believe the Globe and Mail endorsed the Conservatives today

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../BNStory/Front

"But we also know that public opinion in an information-enriched society provides a natural check on immoderate policies and behaviour. Political parties are in the business of currying public favour; a governing party, even an unnatural one, will not stray too far, too frequently, from the social consensus. The dynamic of democratic change keeps competitors for power within reasonable bounds. So it will be for Mr. Harper and his Conservatives."


It comes down to the fact that this election is a leap of faith versus known corruption--with a few attractive parties who don't really have their acts together along for the ride.

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