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Old 03-26-2005, 05:44 PM   #46
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also, would you rather have her say 'oh breast implants are awesome, everyone should get one, even 8 year old girls!'? if there is a demand, there is supply. just hating people because they are trying to look good is totally unacceptable in my book.
Oh dear.

It's not a case of hating anybody - it's about being a bad, unhealthy example and a complete and utter hypocrite.

You are right about demand and supply, of course - but what concerns me, is the warped logic behind all the practise. That is, the image of the "perfect woman", as if there is such a thing, being damaging, unrealistic and unnatural. Personally I believe we can look good without shoving bits of plastic in various places where they don't belong.

As for the attitude that that's the way it is and some things will never change - that's complete horseshit.

You think this is an acceptable situation, with 10-year-old children starving themselves in the name of "beauty"?
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Old 03-26-2005, 06:46 PM   #47
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thanks for the info, sally. i'm really surprised by that. those ads have no place in those mags.

oh, and all_i_want, until you can say something that's not simply intended to inflame, shut the hell up.

thank you.
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Old 03-26-2005, 07:02 PM   #48
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Forget Seventeen, you know what was really bad for girls when we were younger?

Jem and the Hollograms!


When Jem is her normal self she is a relationship with this guy who she loves, but everytime she changes into her alter ego (Jem) this guy (not knowing it is the same person) completely chases after her without regard for his girlfriend. And she completely accepts it.

Come on now, that messes with a girls mind.
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Old 03-26-2005, 08:23 PM   #49
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Lol, Dalton!

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OK, first off, I think we need MORE 12 year old little girls starting rock bands. Kick open the door of the male dominated music business.


Right on, sista!

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i thought it was rather easy to understand? whats there to 'decipher'?
So sorry - I forgot to answer that one.

The post didn't make any sense, logically, or conceptually. You're free to talk as much horseshit as you please, just like the rest of us, but at least try and express it in a way that is legible, grammatical, and shows evidence of some form of thought process.

Just a suggestion.

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you girls are making such a big deal out of this.
How absolutely shocking of us. Who would have thought that we'd be concerned about an issue that affects us directly throughout our lives?

Oh, and incidentally, I'm a woman, not a girl. Have you ever actually met any women apart from your Mom? No, I suspected not.

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women are obsessed with themselves, so what?? it has always been this way! women always bought all kinds of things for make-up or whatever.
Thanks for the history lesson there.

You've got a hell of a lot to learn, sweetheart.

As for what's wrong with girls wanting to be "stunning" - I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with wanting to look nice and to feel attractive. That's the case whether you are male or female. What is wrong, in my opinion, is encouraging the sort of rubbish you spewed a few posts ago:

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so yes, some girls want to look good, and they will go any distance to do this. no its not fair, no its not good, but thats the way they want it. you cant solve that problem, so deal with it.
You think girls deliberately choose to be that way? So it's nothing to do with psycholgical damage and unhealthiness? Please. Get REAL.

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granted, they might not be real people in your eyes, but in the end, who cares?
What are you, 12? When did I say that someone who has breast implants is not a "real person"? I didn't - that's what comes of having a few braincells. That imbecilic comment shows that, when it comes to this sort of crap, you're the one with a major problem.
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Old 03-27-2005, 03:00 AM   #50
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i guess the irony and sarcasm in post was not very obvious.

maybe i should restate some of my points so it will make more sense to you.

yes, i actually DEFEND 12 year olds having liposuction AND breast implants. i also encourage eating unhealthy fast food, so we can fill them up - and suck them off later, in the hospital. make money either way! thats the way cookie crumbles.

also, i think the social security systems are handling everything a bit TOO well, so maybe we should add cosmetic surgery to the bill, just to benefit from the IDLE capacity in the hospitals.

another thing, i also think girls are simply out there so men will like them and marry them some day. that seems to be the pinnacle of female ambition.
is there anything wrong with? of course not, its only natural. men hunt, women have babies, isnt that right?

and yeah, i am sick of uptight feminists. what is all the equality crap about? we are all equal under the umbrella of capitalism, what are they crying about? glass ceiling? no such thing, no sir. if women were not so gross incompetent at their jobs, they just MIGHT get promoted!




i am pretty sure you will take this post in the face value as well, because irony is such an alien term, sarcasm and cynicism are so hard to understand and the post is 'impossible to decipher'
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Old 03-27-2005, 03:21 AM   #51
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since my post was such a hard one to read, and virtually impossible to understand, let me give you a walk through.

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actually, breast implants should be included in social security programs, and the expenses should be covered by health insurance, just like it is done for a bypass.

oh yes. cause social security systems have money to burn, and this is such a huge health issue.
hell, i dont even support state owned social security, but hey, my opinion just might change if they give women free breast implants!!

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what is wrong with girls wanting to stunning? after all, that is all guys are after. after all, as girls are under pressure for being beautiful, guys are under pressure for being successful and making heaps of money. granted, they might not be real people in your eyes, but in the end, who cares?
yeah you didnt say that they are not real people. the whole thing is a big scam. we lose the things that make us real people, looking for success, beauty, fame. and people are so ok with it, it is rather sad. in a book i read a while ago, american psycho, by ellis, the guy actually tells his girlfriend that she should get implants cause she is not looking 'stunning' and she is not much of a 'hardbody'. actually, if you went back to the original post, you might even see a reference about this.

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you may argue that our societies might come to such a point that personality doesnt matter anymore... but oh wait, i think we were at that point 2 decades ago.

so yes, some girls want to look good, and they will go any distance to do this. no its not fair, no its not good, but thats the way they want it. you cant solve that problem, so deal with it.
deal with it. one of my favorite phrases ever. your country is invaded? deal with it. you lost your children, deal with it. you lost your wife, deal with it. youre dead, deal with it. so it gets its very own spot here.

you might not argue that our society has come to a point where personality is of no value, but i just did. over there. its been quite a while since that happened, so we might have lost sight of it.


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also, would you rather have her say 'oh breast implants are awesome, everyone should get one, even 8 year old girls!'? if there is a demand, there is supply. just hating people because they are trying to look good is totally unacceptable in my book.
oh yeah, this is the best. me defending a playboy model. how is it possible not to? and of course, mental and physical health of little girls MUST be seen in terms of the market economy. who would think a twisted, screwed up, evil, evil guy like myself, would value their lives more than any given commodity? after all, capitalism has solved EVERYTHING, why not this? it feeds, clothes, and entertains the world. the rich part of it at least.

anyway, i see some of you are incapable to spot irony and most of my posts are gonna be incredibly painful for you, so i would like apologize for any inconvenience.. not really. deal with it.


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Point taken, All I Want. Maybe we're lacking a little humor here. There is room for irreverence in everything. Even here.
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since my post was such a hard one to read, and virtually impossible to understand, let me give you a walk through.

in a book i read a while ago, american psycho, by ellis, the guy actually tells his girlfriend that she should get implants cause she is not looking 'stunning' and she is not much of a 'hardbody'. actually, if you went back to the original post, you might even see a reference about this.

deal with it. one of my favorite phrases ever. your country is invaded? deal with it. you lost your children, deal with it. you lost your wife, deal with it. youre dead, deal with it. so it gets its very own spot here.

you might not argue that our society has come to a point where personality is of no value, but i just did. over there. its been quite a while since that happened, so we might have lost sight of it.



Fair enough. Yes I did see your American Psycho reference, and I did think you were possibly being "ironic" - just wanted to make sure, originally, but started getting somewhat overenthusiastic telling you a few things. Always good fun at 6am.

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i am pretty sure you will take this post in the face value as well, because irony is such an alien term, sarcasm and cynicism are so hard to understand and the post is 'impossible to decipher'
It is hard to spot irony and use of potential intellect in a post with no understandable grammar or train of thought... simple as that really.

Thanks for the discussion.
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I go back and forth on how much or how little I think these magazines influence young girls. In observing children in my life, they seem to naturally gravitate towards certain things on their own and ignore other things, as though they were born with certain attractions. And in my own personal experience, I grew up in a house with an older sister who began designing and making clothes for our Barbie dolls when she was 8 or 9 years old, and today she is a successful fashion designer. So our house was full of teen and fashion magazines yet I had absolutely no interest in them at all except to read the music columns and look at the pictures of rock stars. Who knows why my sister became fashion and looks obsessed and I didn't--or at least not until I was in my 30s and started having enough money to actually pay attention to that stuff. She is and always has been terribly concerned about having the 'right' shoes and the 'right' purse and she scoffs at wearing last season's fashion. Where did she get that from? It was like from the moment she laid eyes on Barbie she had to start trying to be Barbie, whereas the moment I heard the Beatles on the radio at 3 I was obsessed with music. We grew up pretty isolated on a farm and it's not like we had a lot of outside influences. It seems to me that her fashion and beauty obsession existed first, the magazines came later, not the reverse. I really don't know.
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