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Old 02-14-2007, 04:23 PM   #286
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According to the Bible, yes, God did say that. When Moses was on the mountain top, God gave him the complete law, not just the 10 commandments.
Well

let's hope it is a translation problem.


Because it is not worthy of divine attribution.
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Doesn't the morning after pill act like an abortion in the sense that it removes an attached embryo from the uterus? It's effective even after conception, isn't it unlike a diaphragm or condom or birth control pill.
I don't think anyone ever answered this( that I could see skimming through the thread) , but this is my understanding of how the makers of Plan B say it works.It prevents pregnancy mainly by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary, and may also prevent the fertilization of an egg. It may also work by preventing it from attaching to the uterus. It will not affect a fertilized egg already attached to the uterus- it will not affect an existing pregnancy. That's what they say, that it will not do that.

There is more information on their web site-of course that's their "side" of it so to speak, but I have no medical knowledge to say that what they say isn't true. I don't know if most people who oppose it are basing that opposition on contrary medical knowledge or just "other".
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From a religious point of view, do you really think that Jesus would condone someone suffering due to one sin to cover it up with yet another, even worse sin? Do you think He'd think that would make it okay?
All I'm saying is he would probably attack the root of the problem before anything...
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According to the Bible, yes, God did say that. When Moses was on the mountain top, God gave him the complete law, not just the 10 commandments.
Acoording to some.
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Well

let's hope it is a translation problem.


Because it is not worthy of divine attribution.
So says a man.

If you could completely understand God, he wouldn't be much of a God, would he?
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Acoording to some.
According to the Bible.

Now whether you believe in the Bible or not, I do not know.

But for people who don't believe in the Bible, I don't understand why the Jesus issue is important, anyway.
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According to the Bible.

Now whether you believe in the Bible or not, I do not know.

But for people who don't believe in the Bible, I don't understand why the Jesus issue is important, anyway.
Where does it specifically say he was told other laws other than the 10 commandments?
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So says a man.

If you could completely understand God, he wouldn't be much of a God, would he?

"If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.


On the face of this
it is stupid.

Why would God say stupid things?


If you could understand God,he wouldn't be much of a God, would he?

Why wouldn't God speak in a way that he could be understood
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Exactly!
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"If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.


On the face of this
it is stupid.

Why would God say stupid things?
Stupid according to who? You? Or to the mother? Or to the unborn child?

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If you could understand God,he wouldn't be much of a God, would he?

Why wouldn't God speak in a way that he could be understood [/B]
That's not what 80s said. The actual quote was "completely understand God." I'm a parent. My daughter doesn't completely understand everything I say. Is that my problem? Her problem? Is it a problem at all? Or are there things she simply doesn't need to completely understand?
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Stupid according to who? You? Or to the mother? Or to the unborn child?


"If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman

What if men are working, herding, running or fishing and the hit a pregnant woman?



" the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.


this is not silly?
does God's law take a back seat to a husband's whims or what some Court may or may not impose?

a better case can be made for

Thou shall not kill.
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Thou shall not kill.
Does that apply to babys in the mothers womb? If so and a baby is sucked out by a machine isn't that killing a living person?
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according to Nathan1977 and 80s




God says to kill.



the scripture they are advocating and that they say are God'd words are from the NIV Bible

here is some more



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7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, [b] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
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12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.

15 "Anyone who attacks [c] his father or his mother must be put to death.

16 "Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.

17 "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

18 "If men quarrel and one hits the other with a stone or with his fist [d] and he does not die but is confined to bed, 19 the one who struck the blow will not be held responsible if the other gets up and walks around outside with his staff; however, he must pay the injured man for the loss of his time and see that he is completely healed.

20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
It seems pretty obvious to me that these laws were written by men.
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It seems pretty obvious to me that these laws were written by men.
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The entire bible was written by man. If this is true then why do you have faith in a higher being?
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