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Old 02-13-2007, 06:05 PM   #211
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Does a foetus ever think?
I don't know the answer to that one.

Is that a prerequisite in order for it to be protected?

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Does it ever have a realisation of self?
Some say yes, it does begin to develop self-awareness.

But is that a prerequisite in order for it to be protected?

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Does it ever exist within society?
If the mother does, the fetus does.

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Does it obey the laws and enjoy rights and liberties?
Is that a prerequisite in order for it to be protected?

Let's just go ahead and kill all petty thieves. They don't obey the laws. Heck, you and I should be killed for speeding.

Then, let's round up all the people who live under harsh dictatorships - they don't enjoy rights and liberties.

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Is it a human being?
How do you think I'm going to answer that one?
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Old 02-13-2007, 06:08 PM   #212
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I will not have an abortion because I have absolutely no reason to have one. If I became pregnant and it wasn't planned, I'd say "oh well, we were going to have kids anyway someday" and be very happy because a child is a gift from God.
I'm very glad you wouldn't have an abortion , but that's not what I asked you. I'll ask it again.

"You have said that you believe that abortion is murder. If your belief is true, do you think that abortion should be legal?"
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Old 02-13-2007, 06:14 PM   #213
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Simply elucidating the issue, for it to be murder the foetus has to be considered a human being. Defining human life is a very subjective affair, if we are shaping policy then it must be done carefully - so the idea of sacred human life or a soul must be left out as those concepts are not based in reality.

Within a society if one violates the rights or liberties of other people then they will be deprived of my liberties in some way; not all petty thieves will be killed (that isn't proportional) but an appropriate punishment is applied; determining the nature of the crime and the punishment can't be done on the basis of gut feeling morality but logic and reason - the no harm principle is much better than any holy tome to those ends.
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"You have said that you believe that abortion is murder. If your belief is true, do you think that abortion should be legal?"
As it stands, abortion is not considered murder, so it's not illegal. I don't really know whether I think it's murder or not and if it makes this nonsense go away, then no it's not murder.
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Well if Abortion is not murder then executing someone is not murder but a form of punishment.
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Well if Abortion is not murder then executing someone is not murder but a form of punishment.
Currently, the gov't and courts agree.
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This is a little embarrassing. I screwed up big time. I usually don't discuss abortion in public. I was trying to make the case for a secular state and said something I really shouldn't have said. Oops.
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Old 02-13-2007, 06:44 PM   #218
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There are a number of valid reasons not enough people adopt, including the possibility that some, as you suggested, take a prolife stance but don't really care about kids when it comes right down to it. But there's so much more that maybe you ahven't even considered; maybe there's not enough people who can afford to adopt a child, or maybe there's too much red tape...the list of possibilities could go on and on and on...
Those are more or less the same reasons why some people end up having abortions.
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Well if Abortion is not murder then executing someone is not murder but a form of punishment.
Different' an execution is a punishment for a human being who has violated the rights or liberties of other people, it is the ultimate deprivation of liberty. A foetus is not a human being; does not enjoy those rights or liberties to begin with and is a case of the mother removing a growth from her body.
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Please I need a real answer to this? Because it's almost the same thing. Distinguishing life.

DP=wrong and immoral

Abortion=ok because it's a womans choice.

here is a good question. Ok so let's say a woman has sex with a guy and get's pregnant and ends up having an abortion and then continues doing the same thing. What should be done then about her?
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Here's a question for some of the more fundamental.

I know some in here believe we are born into sin, original sin, that's why we're baptized. So when exactly does this innocence wear off?
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Different' an execution is a punishment for a human being who has violated the rights or liberties of other people, it is the ultimate deprivation of liberty. A foetus is not a human being; does not enjoy those rights or liberties to begin with and is a case of the mother removing a growth from her body.

You call this a growth? A baby with ears, eys, a nose, fingers a brain, heart, heart lungs etc... a growth and not human??
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Did you read it? I'm just reposting since no one answered it.
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Old 02-13-2007, 07:02 PM   #225
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The way I see it. When we are in the womb it's like the apple from the tree. Once we are born we are then born into sin. But this is just my belife and with many faiths out there, it could be a tall tale from the bible?
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