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Old 11-14-2004, 12:05 PM   #16
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This is really offensive. But what's even more offensive is that the mods really don't care that people here call conservatives idiots, etc...

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On one level I agree with you, but I also realize that the forum is called Free Your Mind, not Don't Offend Anyone.
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I don't think all people who voted for Bush are idiots but you have to admit there were some who voted simply for Bush because of the gay marriage crap and not because they educated themselves on what was really going on with Iraq, health care and poverty in this country. I think the idiots were these "moral voter" that were one-issue voters and the focus on them makes the rest of the Bush voters look dumb. I frankly think it's irresponsible to be a one-issue voter in any election especially this past election. If you educated yourself on all the issues and voted for Bush, so be it. That's what my mom did.
Ok if you want to say that some of Bush's voters were one issue voters fine. What percentage of Kerry voters voted for Kerry simply because he wasn't Bush?
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I also don't think the President has a "mandate." But with large majorities in the house and senate--at the very least he should be able to accompish most of his agenda. And yes, Kerry also got a high number of votes. This, combined with Bush's total, is a great sign for our country. It means more people are voting than ever.
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Hey Mods--
You do a GREAT job of giving us freedom yet keeping it above the belt. I appreciate the hard work you do. Thank you very much.
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Kerry also got more votes than anyone (except bush) in history. You're right, and it's as simple as that, which is why you're thinking simplitically!
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Tire of my cheap shots? Please point them out.

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I think the idiots were these "moral voter" that were one-issue voters and the focus on them makes the rest of the Bush voters look dumb
Again, I feel like a total idiot for testing the candidates against some moral basis of my own. I am dumb.

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Old 11-14-2004, 01:43 PM   #23
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Re: Re: Re: 60,480,957 Idiots in America?

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I'm not really refering to the people on Interference calling Bush voters idiot--tho it has been done (to be fair both sides have been called idiots I'm sure) but the media and the people I meet around my home. (I live in a highly democratic area)
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
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I've said it before, I'd love to see free speech reign somewhere on this forum. Make an unmoderated section! I want to hear it all. Let only the brave enter.
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But what's even more offensive is that the mods really don't care that people here call conservatives idiots, etc...
I remember your thread about wanting an unmoderated forum, too. Whatever you actually meant by that, I'm not going to speculate. But the fact is that the mods DO care. Some of our smartest and most thoughtful post-ers are conservatives, and you'll never hear me say otherwise.

Like I said, if you think you can do better...
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Tire of my cheap shots? Please point them out.

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Again, I feel like a total idiot for testing the candidates against some moral basis of my own. I am dumb.

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Well, since you admit it yourself, I'll certainly agree with you.


And I would like to point out that you picked out one part of one post out of 1,351,794. Big fucking deal.
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And I would like to point out that you picked out one part of one post out of 1,351,794. Big fucking deal.
Just going for some balance. Apparently, the idiots are underepresented in FYM.

I made a slight play for some freeing of some minds, and what do I get...
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i understand the resistance that many conservatives feel about being call "idiots" or "dumb." i know conservatives (who didn't vote for Bush) who aren't dumb, and i know Bush voters (who aren't conservative) who aren't dumb either.

however, when you're a leftish Kerry voter, and you see all the problems facing the country and what were actually *very* subtansive debates, to hear that more than 22% of those voting for bush velt that "moral values" -- which i think we can safely say means anti-choice, anti-gay marriage ... that may be incomplete, but it's closer to the truth than not -- were more important than Iraq, the War on Terror, health care, education, etc., it is very disconcerting.

we sit back and ask: what is more important than success in Iraq, whether or not you supported the invasion (i marched in DC against the war, i still want us to be successfull now that we're there). what could be more important than addressing the concerns of 40m uninsured? yes, i know that this doesn't even comprise the majority of bush voters, but this particular constitutency has, since the election, stated that they won the election for Bush and are awaiting their payoffs, probably in the form of Supreme Court justicies. see recent comments by people like James Dobson and Bob Jones, and the fact that Rove organized much of his ground game around conservative churches in swing states.

this is where it does feel like 2 countries living in 2 different worlds.

you could prefer Bush's stances on Iraq, or health care, or education, but for such a sizeable portion of people not to point to their preference for Bush on those matters but for the fact that he represents their "moral values" gives one pause.

it may not be stupid or idiotic, but it does feel a bit like missing the forest for the trees. it's blinkiered at best, willfully self-deceiving at first.
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sorry, last line should read "blinkered at best, willfully self-deceiving at worst"
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Although Irvine511 may dislike my stance on moral values, I will say that he did shine light on the subject. He probably has a good understanding of how a conservative might feel in a "conservatives are idiots" thread. Thank you for your thoughtful post.
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[than 22% of those voting for bush velt that "moral values" -- which i think we can safely say means anti-choice, anti-gay marriage ... that may be incomplete, but it's closer to the truth than not --]

I don't think that is at the heart of a lot of the moral vote at all. I have a family and what I don't want is the embracing of Eminem, Howard Stern or most in Hollywood as my childrens icons. Most of these people have little or no education and no value system at all. I'm not uptight, not trying to stop them from doing what they're doing. I even find them entertaining more times than not, but they are certainly not what I want my children to aspire to. Unfortunately, that seems to be a measure of success these days.

Regarding, gay marriage... I think many people are upset with the terminalogy more than the granting of equal rights. The term "marriage" has been represented in most western civilization as the union of a man and woman for thousands of years. The foundation is religious and many people get upset with changing the meaning of the word itself. The polls supporting civil unions are consistently high in favor.

Regarding "anti-choice"...I know a lot of men who would really not consider it a choice on their part if a child, partially theirs, were aborted and they could do nothing about it.
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