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Old 09-27-2016, 07:51 AM   #451
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I don't understand how you truly believe we'd be as fucked with Clinton as president. I understand you don't care for her, but you really think she would be as bad a president as Trump?
As bad as Trump, probably not.
Bad, certainly.
Very bad, likely.
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Old 09-27-2016, 07:55 AM   #452
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That he snorted a bunch of coke before the debate? That's what people are saying, people who know things. The sniffling, the twitching, the erratic behavior, the energy crash about 50 minutes in. It's just what some people have noticed.
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He claims to not drink or do drugs, but in the first 5 minutes I asked if he had snorted a couple of lines before taking the stage.
Maybe he took smelling salts or Afrin, but something was going on.

On a "positive" note, he didn't look quite as orange as usual.
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I mean... he knows that terrific airport in Dubai he was raving about was built with slave labor, right? Right?

Oh that's right, he doesn't, cause he's a big boo boo bear.
That's what I was saying to Travis when he said that.
I was just saying, basically, 'he does realize that those airports were built on other people's backs, right?'




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Yes but going back to a point I made earlier, equating them and their level of potential "doom" isn't only incorrect, but sort of insulting to the very existence of our political system. Clinton has her flaws, and they are concerning. But Donald Trump is an insult. It's not the same thing. It shouldn't be equated.
We weren't doomed with any of the last few presidents, who everyone screamed would destroy this country, I doubt we'd be screwed now if Hillary won, even if you don't like her.

But Trump? I definitely don't feel right way about Trump. Last night did nothing to reassure me.
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread XIII

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As bad as Trump, probably not.

Bad, certainly.

Very bad, likely.
Probably not as bad as Trump?

What's your opinion of Obama?
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Probably not as bad as Trump?
I know. WTF?
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Trump was still horribly underprepared last night.

Does he not truly want the job?

Does his arrogance allow him to live in this false reality where he thought he could continue to wing it?
It's very symptomatic of a guy who is surrounded by yes-men in his daily life. My bet is his adult children don't bite the hand that feeds them, and aside from Ivanka who does seem like she is at least with it, the two guys are dingbats and Tiffany has essentially no relationship with Trump anyway. His current wife is probably totally disengaged and sees little of him. So who's left in his daily life? Employees, consultants, blah blah all people who exist solely to pump up his elephantine ego.

I can't tell you how many times I have been in a meeting (I'm a corporate lawyer) where some high level exec, maybe even a CEO of a company walks in having been totally disengaged from whatever transaction is going on and offering some nugget of "wisdom" which leaves everyone in the room utterly speechless at the stupidity of it, but then he leaves and we all get back to work to actually get things done. This is Trump in a nutshell, so why would he study for some dinky debate against a woman who has no stamina and whom he can put into place by talking over her? I think for a lot of people who don't live in this type of corporate environment it may be incomprehensible. To me, it's kind of like business as usual.
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I was impressed with Hillary's toughness, with her refusal to be rattled by anything coming out of Trump's mouth. She appeared very stately to me, aggressive at times but always composed.
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We weren't doomed with any of the last few presidents, who everyone screamed would destroy this country, I doubt we'd be screwed now if Hillary won, even if you don't like her.

But Trump? I definitely don't feel right way about Trump. Last night did nothing to reassure me.

I agree. As someone who comfortably fits somewhere between the Democratic Party and the libertarian party, I felt unconvinced by Obama's first term. In hindsight, I was pleased with his second term. But, at the time I voted for Johnson.

Mitt Romney was absolutely not someone who represented my views at all. People panicked that he was effectively the worst thing that could happen to us. Someone quoted it as "the most important election in our lifetimes" as every election is always called.

This election sort of makes me realize that the potential for a candidate to be dooming is far less when they're an actual politician. It's not to say that the candidate needs to be a career politician. But time and time again I can't help but think that the absolute worst thing about Donald Trump is not his racist, xenophobic, poor tempered nature. It's the fact that he doesn't have a clue how to do anything he talks about. He doesn't know what he's talking about. His ideas come right out of his ass. Build a wall, he says. Even if he wanted to be xenophobic and destroy relations with Mexico over it, it's not like his plan was well thought out. It was an impulsive idea. Building a wall doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of illegal immigrants either come on a plane, on a boat, in the water, or heck... underground. The disproportionate response he a wall would be to such a "problem" is evidence that the guy only thinks impulsively, and doesn't actually have real thought out ideas.
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Probably not as bad as Trump?

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You always have to account for the possibility that any President could do something really horrible, so the odds are like 95%-5% Trump will be worse, but that still rates as a "probably" rather than a "definitely".

I think were Trump to win, he'd just sit in The White House and throw parties and film his daily activity for reality TV. Do nothing actually presidential.
Should Hillary start WW3, she'd rate as worse than that. So she gets a "probably".
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Clearly Hewson is also a libteral.
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The Republican candidate for President of the United States said in a public debate that taking advantage of the housing crisis was "good business," and that not paying federal income tax makes him "smart."
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Afrin
Oh man, Afrin.

That shit works, but at what cost?

AT WHAT COST???
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He claims to not drink or do drugs, but in the first 5 minutes I asked if he had snorted a couple of lines before taking the stage.
Maybe he took smelling salts or Afrin, but something was going on.
there are lots of people in the finance world who don't consider taking speed to be "doing drugs" cause all it does is give you a shit ton of energy, rather than "get you high". they liken it to drinking a bunch of red bulls at once.

they're full of shit of course, but this is really common in high-tempo offices.
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Oh man, Afrin.

That shit works, but at what cost?

AT WHAT COST???
$10.99 at Walgreens

https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/af...5-c06e7be1628e
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I was impressed with Hillary's toughness, with her refusal to be rattled by anything coming out of Trump's mouth. She appeared very stately to me, aggressive at times but always composed.
Yep, she really kept it controlled. I was yelling at the screen, you gotta call him out on that!!!! You can't let that go!!!! But in the end, it was best she did. Don't get caught in the follow up rabbit hole that could go sideways on her.

I was pretty shocked that he was in yelling stage by 10 minutes in. All the talk of him coming and being a totally different, controlled and courteous candidate, gave me some false expectations i guess.
He looked visibly tired by the second half and he spun into absolute nonsense (more so than usual) by that time.

Now the challenge for Clinton is to be even better prepared for the next ones. If Trump does even mildly better the next time, and he most likely will, she will need to do better to stay on top. She still needs some better answers on a few things, and to really get out more of her platform. She got a bit out there this time, but Trumps non-stop talking makes it nearly impossible.
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