MadelynIris
Refugee
amen to that.
What about the whole male and female thing?
What about the whole male and female thing?
MadelynIris said:amen to that.
What about the whole male and female thing?
Well I won't join you in the amen.
As for the male-female thing...he states one thing so other scenarios must be a sin? I don't believe in those types of leaps of logic
Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' {5} and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?
MadelynIris said:
You won't join me in saying that adultery is a bad thing? Ok.
MadelynIris said:
Leap in logic? Jesus said
You see know significance in what Jesus is saying here?
sharky said:... What say do you have in whether it is sinful for them to marry? You don't get to judge. Only God can do that.
The fundamental different as of today is that race is beyond one's control. There is a difference of opinion regarding sexual preference.
nbcrusader said:I've heard different methods of dismissing the different passages - but there has been no consistent, principled method of explaining away these passages.
Dutch Partygirl said:In my country gays are allowed to get married in a civil clerk's office (is that what you call it???). There aren't a lot of churches that will marry gays, but that's fine. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, so if the christian church is agains gay marriages they shouldn't marry gays. I think for this country (with a big percentage of Christians) this is the best solution. Of course there are people that still oppose it and there are people that think it should be taken further, but the majority of the people is happy with the way it goes.
Sherry Darling said:That is my "consistent, principled" method of hermenutics: understanding the historical context. You choose (rightly in my view) to read the texts I referred to as being about orderly worship, rather than as something to be taken literally, because of the context surrounding them. Why not the texts on homosexuality? I still have not heard a rationale for that.
Dutch Partygirl said:Thanks Irvine! At the moment the Netherlands is not that great with the aftermath of the murder of Theo van Gogh. People are attacking muslim schools and churches which is very frightning.
Have you been here often? Where?
I was amused by your post, but I did find that every single biblical reference is from the Old Testament. My interpretation of the OT is that God is in our face because of our sin. We were separated from God until Jesus was crucified.joyfulgirl said:This bit of humor which someone just sent me seems fitting--you may have seen it before:
Dear President Bush,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law...
joyfulgirl said:This bit of humor which someone just sent me seems fitting--you may have seen it before:
nbcrusader said:
There may be some who take their theology seriously that would find this offensive, not humorous.
joyfulgirl said:
I take the civil rights of my gay friends seriously and am offended daily by those who would deny them these rights based on theology. This "humorous" piece is related to Sherry Darling's questions which have never been answered adequately in any discussion of gay rights I've ever seen in this forum, or anywhere. The Christian interpretation of homosexuality, and the rights that are denied as a result, is just as ludicrous and offensive to me as anything in these "humorous" examples. So frankly, I am not concerned with how this may have offended anyone.
I'm not offended at all, I can tolerate a different view, and I think it presents a healthy debate. However, those who don't care to understand scripture will surely get lost in the debate.nbcrusader said:
There may be some who take their theology seriously that would find this offensive, not humorous.
I think we can leave it, however, in the humor category for now as it represents a lack of understanding of Scripture.
joyfulgirl said:I take the civil rights of my gay friends seriously and am offended daily by those who would deny them these rights based on theology. This "humorous" piece is related to Sherry Darling's questions which have never been answered adequately in any discussion of gay rights I've ever seen in this forum, or anywhere. The Christian interpretation of homosexuality, and the rights that are denied as a result, is just as ludicrous and offensive to me as anything in these "humorous" examples.
joyfulgirl said:So frankly, I am not concerned with how this may have offended anyone.
nbcrusader said:
I will be the first to agree that Scripture is mis-interpreted and abused historically and today. That is not a problem of Scripture, but with the individuals abusing it.
Fact is, the scripture was not written during our era, and we have misinterpretations based on this. Slavery is wrong, etc... but it wasn't a spiritual issue as much as it was a political issue. The bible is about love and truth. Some Christians are more about love than truth, others are more about truth than love. It's not easy to have a perfect balance of the two.Irvine511 said:
or maybe it's to do with the nature of Scripture itself. since all reading is interpretation, perhaps the fault lies both with individuals seeking to manipulate scripture to further personal gain, political control, etc., and the fact that -- as any post-modernist would attest -- that there are no correct readings, simply valid ones that are necessarily contested.
nbcrusader said:I personally was not offended, but I only suggest that care be taken; otherwise, this only perpetuates the problem.
Relax, relax, relax. If you read my response, I told you my point of view: I'm not offended by people who choose not to accept Biblical principals, and I'm also not offended by those who disagree with the lifestyle. I think if everyone took a deep breath , we wouldn't have to see opposing views as if someone was trying to rip them to shreds. May we all get along.Renne said:
So people have to take care not to offend those who believe in the Bible, yet it's okay to rant on about how homosexuality is immoral?
Yay double standards!
nbcrusader said:
If you have any follow-up questions to Sherry Darling's, please ask them.
Sherry Darling said:
LOL--NBC, if she had a question to ask me, she would have. As she clearly stated, her point was not to follow up or question me. It was to note that my questions regarding the interpretation of these verses have not yet been answered.
Sherry Darling said:RE Irvine's point about the "nature of Scripture", I agree and I'd even expand on that point. I think these difficulties are inherent in human beings interacting with text. It's inherent in language itself.
So true.Irvine511 said:can someone please, please, please tell me what the "gay lifestyle" is? because the people who know the most about it don't seem to be gay.