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Old 01-04-2008, 11:07 PM   #346
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So what? The answer to that is not for you to stop driving. You surely see this, yes? I cannot control how your parents react, and I'm not a parent and cannot pretend to know how it feels to have a kid, but to prevent you from driving because you made a mistake, regardless of the fucking damage to the other car, makes no sense.
I do see this. But it is out of my hands. My parents are good people, but ... they're stubborn. My mother's been more leniant, but my father's been pretty much against me driving much. Now, he has something he can toss into the argument as a discouragement.

I imagine by a couple months from now things will have settled into "normal" for driving as I knew it before Wednesday afternoon. But I'm not counting out it lasting longer.
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Okay I'm back... The other bar at the end of the street was closed.

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unfortunately you're not his dad. a lot of parents wouldn't agree.
What about carelessness while operating a vehicle?
Do you really think that a punishment will make PFan a better driver? Accidents happen, even to careful drivers Liz.

Sorry, no, a punishment makes no sense.

And, a lot of parents would agree.
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Pfan, do you have a full license or just a provisional?
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I do see this. But it is out of my hands. My parents are good people, but ... they're stubborn. My mother's been more leniant, but my father's been pretty much against me driving much. Now, he has something he can toss into the argument as a discouragement.

I imagine by a couple months from now things will have settled into "normal" for driving as I knew it before Wednesday afternoon. But I'm not counting out it lasting longer.
Well, I hope your Dad surprises you and that your driving is not restricted going forward. And, yes, of course it's out of your hands.

Good luck PFan!!!
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I have a full license as of late November.

ETA: Technically, a "junior license" till I'm 18, meaning I have a curfew.
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NSW - you think pfan should not be punished whatsoever? No offense pfan, but there should be something, no? I'm not saying to revoke his driving privileges forever or something, but maybe something? Did you ever get in (cause) an accident when you were pfan's age? Just curious.

Where are the bouncers? Zoots talks to the bar like that (see above or page 23), and then comes back looking for some services? :hmmmmph:















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I do see this. But it is out of my hands. My parents are good people, but ... they're stubborn. My mother's been more leniant, but my father's been pretty much against me driving much. Now, he has something he can toss into the argument as a discouragement.

I imagine by a couple months from now things will have settled into "normal" for driving as I knew it before Wednesday afternoon. But I'm not counting out it lasting longer.

My parents were the same. It all completely backfired on them though but I can see why parents for generations to come will be convinced it works.

Convenience will be what gets you back behind the steering wheel .

Did you have to phone that other company?
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I have a full license as of late November.

ETA: Technically, a "junior license" till I'm 18, meaning I have a curfew.
Yeah, I guess it's the same thing in Jersey, we get a license with a 12 o'clock curfew and only 1 friend in the car until your 19
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Where are the bouncers? Zoots talks to the bar like that (see above or page 23), and then comes back looking for some services? :hmmmmph:





ETA: I saw your response above. Very interesting
How soon you forget that once upon a time I was one of the bartenders here!

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No, I do not think he should be punished. He probably feels bad enough. He did nothing premeditated, he did nothing on purpose, he did nothing he won't do again as an adult. If he were out doing 75 mph in a 60, or driving drunk, or out past curfew, or whatever, I'd see how he should be punished, but I do not see how a parking lot fender bender deserves punishment. That's how I feel, that's how my parents felt, but I'll drop it now because there is no right or wrong here and if others feel differently, so be it.
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I really, really do not have the money to pay for the accident costs. Normally, I think my punishment would be paying to fix my car. But I can't. Everything I have is for college, and my parents aren't paying for that. I can't even pay for the insurance costs for the car.

The one thing I did agree to pay for was gas money. Oh, irony. I got in the accident pulling out of the bank parking lot after I took some money out to pay for my next gas fill up.
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Do you really think that a punishment will make PFan a better driver? Accidents happen, even to careful drivers Liz.

Sorry, no, a punishment makes no sense.

And, a lot of parents would agree.

I know more than most people that accidents happen. Thank You.

However, his parents are raising him and really, as long as a punishment makes sense in their mind, that's all that matters.
It's not criminal, or unjust in a humane sense. It's a lesson they want to teach their child - actions have consequences. Entirely their perogative.

I am not saying I agree, I'm saying that you shouldn't undermine his parents unless in discussion with them.
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no Zoots, was talking about NSW's.

I can understand your point about no punishment. Assuming pfan's a good kid, gets good grades, etc. Which I believe to be true. If he was a miscreant, then...
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