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Old 09-10-2007, 01:16 PM   #226
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I don't see any other competitors. Ferrari breaks every race, they can't be continuos. Us remain the tears. I think that in the end Alonso will win the championship, Lewis will not stand the pressure and Fernando is used to it. Wow, if he wins it will be the first time that a driver wins having his whole entire team against! Adelante, Fernando!
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:06 AM   #227
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According to the "Times", FIA has a dossier of 166 pages where McLaren is found guilty of spying. Let's see tomorrow what happens, looks like troubled waters for the ones in Woking
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:10 AM   #228
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If McLaren is found guilty of spying and punished severely(banned or something) the drivers will be released from their contract. I know this for sure when it comes to Alonso(Fernando would go back to Renault) but I'm not too sure about Hamilton. I would feel sorry for him if this meant that he won't be racing F1 next season.

But I think that if McLaren is found guilty , the points in the constructor's championship will be taken away or something like that. I don't think they would be forced to skip an entire season.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:06 AM   #229
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You know, but there are a couple of aggravatings, Dennis always said the team knew nothing about, now it comes out that Alonso and De La Rosa were mailing with Mike Coughlan and Nigel Stepney to know the Ferrari's dates.................
If it's so, it's right they skip an entire season, which could be even this one, together with some minus points for next championship. Alonso will go back to Renault, this is meanwhile more than clear. Last night Briatore affirmed they're studying the deal. Hamilton,I think that in the end he will stay at McLaren, even if there would be a disqualify for next season, he would kinda race in some other cathegory, remaining in Mercedes's orbit, and then come back in F1. Alonso will go anyway....................at least I think.
Let's see what happens tomorrow
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Old 09-12-2007, 12:26 PM   #230
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I think McLaren will just have it's Constructors' points stripped/deducted with no penalty to the drivers, which has already been alluded to. Perhaps also a hefty fine. This of course if they haven't been exonerated fully.

If the drivers did need a ride for next year then I could definitely see FA going to Renault but Lewis I haven't the foggiest. Williams?
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Old 09-12-2007, 12:33 PM   #231
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Stewart slams FIA witch-hunt

Sir Jackie Stewart has accused motor sport's world governing body, the FIA, of conducting a witch-hunt against embattled McLaren boss Ron Dennis. Former three-times World Champion Stewart feels the way the FIA, in conjunction with Ferrari, have pursued this case does not look good for Formula One.

Even respected team boss Sir Frank Williams believes the FIA have embarked on their quest in this saga with "enormous tenacity".

Looking into the affair that has overshadowed the thrilling title race this season, Stewart explained: "The FIA have historically been very close to Ferrari, closer to them than anyone else.

"There are more Ferrari representatives on the World Council than anybody else, and it seems that some of the most powerful people in this sport are more aligned to Ferrari than anybody else.

"For whatever reason, and I'm not saying that there hasn't been wrongdoing, but the very fact that this information came out of Ferrari means their own security and integrity level has to be judged.

"Now the fact it was stolen of course is wrong. But to start witch-hunting and trying to implicate a team principal to a level that is currently going on, I think is negative to the sport."
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Old 09-12-2007, 01:20 PM   #232
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I'm sad to say it, but Stewart is talking pure shit.
What does it mean it doesn't look good for F1? Wants he a sport were people swindle and remain unpunished? Does this look better? Then, once again, this whole story of FIA being close to Ferrari has become now very more than silly, it's enough. Ferrari got many times penalties, MonteCarlo, Hungary last year, or the Schumacher-Villeneuve trouble in Jerez in 1997, just for example.
Then, what means the security level of Ferrari has to be judged?! It was one of the closest and highest person (NIGEL STEPNEY) who revealed everything, how could Ferrari doubt of someone who has worked with them since 15 years?!?
There is no hunting at all, this makes me really laugh. Don't forget that in the first judgement McLaren was spoken not guilty! The whole thing came out again because ALONSO has admitted that he knew what happened! Is this a joke, or what? Is this not a reason enough?
Witch-hunting, oh, please. It would have been the same if it would have been the contrary.
I'm sorry, Mr. Stewart, you lost a chance to show a bit intelligence
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Old 09-12-2007, 01:35 PM   #233
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Oh, another bit!
McLaren has exposed an indictment to FIA against Renault for who knows who what kind of irregularity. This is good for F1?
McLaren is climbing on mirrors, they better admit what they have done, instead of doing all these pointless weepings, right Mr. Ron Dennis?
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:17 PM   #234
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Wow. $100 million is more than I expected. I was thinking maybe a much smaller fine and a loss of the constructors points.



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McLaren fined, lose constructors title

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9/13/2007 1:44:38 PM

McLaren have been banned from winning the 2007 Formula One constructors championship following a hearing before the World Motor Sport Council in Paris.

The team have been fined a record $100-million US and will have to present their 2008 car for inspection before the governing body prior to racing it next season.

However, both Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso were not penalized and will be able to continue fighting for the drivers championship this weekend in Belgium.

The ruling effectively hands Ferrari this year's constructors championship.

Asked if justice had been served, FIA president Max Mosley replied succinctly, "Yes".

Hamilton was among the members of the McLaren team who appeared before the council on Thursday, however, he reportedly was not asked to testify at the hearing. He left the meeting roughly three hours after it started, presumeably to get back to Belgium to begin preparations for this weekend's race.

Teammate Alonso was noticeably absent from the hearing, electing instead to attend a previously announced pre-race press conference in Belgium, where he was peppered with questions about the spy scandal.

"I am 100 percent concentrated in this paddock, in this track and winning this race," said Alonso, who refused to speculate about the outcome. "Other than that I will not have two seconds of thinking."

When asked why he didn't travel to Paris, as Hamilton did, the Spaniard replied: "No comment."

Former Ferrari technical director Ross Brawn was in attendance for the Scuderia even though he is no longer a member of the team and is currently on a one year sabbatical.

Also present at the hearing as observers were representatives of Williams, Renault, Spyker and Red Bull.

Prior to today's verdict, a poll conducted on TSN.ca revealed 33-percent believed McLaren would be stripped of its constructors points. A combined 29-percent said McLaren would be thrown out of the 2007 and 2008 championship while 23-percent said they woudl only be fined. Only 15-percent said they would escape without any punishment.
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Justice is done! But I'm happy for the drivers, I was hoping they wouldn't get touched. Right decisions, at least this season still makes sense by having 2 drivers fighting for a title.
At the same time, I hope Ferrari refuses the constructor title if it will be given to them, this is a dirty season by now, it's a wasted season, we don't need such titles................... It's Dennis and all his spies who had to get punished, and it's good so.
I would have never expected this by Nigel Stepney, never, I'm so deceived of him, he worked for 15 years for Ferrari, and this was his man's thickness.........................................I'm nauseated..................
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This was the only punishment that was acceptable. Punish the team and not the drivers. I'm glad Alonso and Hamilton weren't dragged down with the team.

I was expecting something like this to happen: a complete ban for this season and the next would have been too much.
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Ferrari got many times penalties, MonteCarlo, Hungary last year, or the Schumacher-Villeneuve trouble in Jerez in 1997
These were blatant penalties that were broadcast on global tv, of course they would have been penalised, they had no choice but to.


Ok let's be fair here. To say spying and industrial secrets haven't switched hands with F1 teams over the years, including Ferrari, would be naive to say the least. McLaren got it's hand caught in the cookie jar, and let's not forget, a Ferrari employee was the one who opened it.
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Wow.

What was the whole thing over again? McLaren stealing Ferrari's plans or something?
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:35 AM   #239
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McLaren got it's hand caught in the cookie jar, and let's not forget, a Ferrari employee was the one who opened it.


What do you want to say with this?
If Mike Coughlan would have been honest, he and all his teammates, he/they wouldn't have had any troubles. He could have had even reported it to FIA, that Nigel Stepney was trying to do spying affairs. Instead, no! He liked to have and to use Ferrari's dates, and Ron Dennis liked it, too! This is the right punishment, come on............. They're lucky they got not penalized for 2-3 years..................now it's too late to weep, and to make all those silly innocents statements that they're doing, they better shut up and put the head in the sand like ostrichs......................
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This is what nailed McLaren, Pedro De La Rosa's mail to Alonso:

"All the informations we got over Ferrari are relieable. They come from Nigel Stepney, their former mechanic leader. I don't know what's his role now. He's the same person who said us that Kimi would have stopped at the 18th lap in Australia"



And Dennis keeps denying?
No words.............................................
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