BigMacPhisto
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Career WAR By Eligible Position Players Not In Cooperstown:
(#=Overall Rank)
Barry Bonds (LF) - 162.4 (#2)
Jeff Bagwell (1B) - 79.6 (#37)
Bill Dahlen (SS) - 75.2 (#46)
Lou Whitaker (2B) - 74.9 (#49)
Larry Walker (LF) - 72.6 (#56)
Rafael Palmeiro (1B) - 71.6 (#59)
Bobby Grich (2B) - 70.9 (#61)
Alan Trammell (SS) - 70.4 (#62T)
Tim Raines (LF) - 69.1 (#71)
Edgar Martinez (DH) - 68.3 (#75T)
Kenny Lofton (CF) - 68.2 (#77T)
Graig Nettles (3B) - 68.0 (#79)
Dwight Evans (RF) - 66.9 (#84)
Buddy Bell (3B) - 66.1 (#89T)
Willie Randolph (2B) - 65.5 (#91)
Reggie Smith (OF) - 64.5 (#93)
Not Yet On Ballot:
Alex Rodriguez (SS) - 116.0 (#12)
Albert Pujols (1B) - 97.0 (#21)
Chipper Jones (3B) - 85.0 (#31)
Ken Griffey Jr. (CF) - 83.6 (#34)
Adrian Beltre (3B) - 77.8 (#42)
Jim Thome (1B) - 72.9 (#53)
Derek Jeter (SS) - 71.8 (#58)
Scott Rolen (3B) - 70.0 (#67)
Manny Ramirez (OF) - 69.2 (#70)
Ivan Rodriguez (C) - 68.4 (#74)
Carlos Beltran (CF) - 67.5 (#81T)
Ineligible For Cooperstown:
Pete Rose (OF) - 79.1 (#39)
BOLD = PED User
I guess you can say Bagwell is the best everyday player not in the Hall of Fame (although I'd say Piazza has a better case for being Top 5 ever at his position). Dahlen missed induction by two votes the last time he was on a VC ballot (he'll surely make an appearance again on next year's). His case is about as slam-dunk as it gets...a proven power hitting shortstop and one of the ten most valuable defensive players in history.
Whitaker, Walker, Grich and Trammell are all cases for stat-geeks so they'll be hard to convince other former players/executives on. Martinez is the first one on the list whose case depends more on how you view a DH than needing to delve deeper into the math as he has a great stat line.
(#=Overall Rank)
Barry Bonds (LF) - 162.4 (#2)
Jeff Bagwell (1B) - 79.6 (#37)
Bill Dahlen (SS) - 75.2 (#46)
Lou Whitaker (2B) - 74.9 (#49)
Larry Walker (LF) - 72.6 (#56)
Rafael Palmeiro (1B) - 71.6 (#59)
Bobby Grich (2B) - 70.9 (#61)
Alan Trammell (SS) - 70.4 (#62T)
Tim Raines (LF) - 69.1 (#71)
Edgar Martinez (DH) - 68.3 (#75T)
Kenny Lofton (CF) - 68.2 (#77T)
Graig Nettles (3B) - 68.0 (#79)
Dwight Evans (RF) - 66.9 (#84)
Buddy Bell (3B) - 66.1 (#89T)
Willie Randolph (2B) - 65.5 (#91)
Reggie Smith (OF) - 64.5 (#93)
Not Yet On Ballot:
Alex Rodriguez (SS) - 116.0 (#12)
Albert Pujols (1B) - 97.0 (#21)
Chipper Jones (3B) - 85.0 (#31)
Ken Griffey Jr. (CF) - 83.6 (#34)
Adrian Beltre (3B) - 77.8 (#42)
Jim Thome (1B) - 72.9 (#53)
Derek Jeter (SS) - 71.8 (#58)
Scott Rolen (3B) - 70.0 (#67)
Manny Ramirez (OF) - 69.2 (#70)
Ivan Rodriguez (C) - 68.4 (#74)
Carlos Beltran (CF) - 67.5 (#81T)
Ineligible For Cooperstown:
Pete Rose (OF) - 79.1 (#39)
BOLD = PED User
I guess you can say Bagwell is the best everyday player not in the Hall of Fame (although I'd say Piazza has a better case for being Top 5 ever at his position). Dahlen missed induction by two votes the last time he was on a VC ballot (he'll surely make an appearance again on next year's). His case is about as slam-dunk as it gets...a proven power hitting shortstop and one of the ten most valuable defensive players in history.
Whitaker, Walker, Grich and Trammell are all cases for stat-geeks so they'll be hard to convince other former players/executives on. Martinez is the first one on the list whose case depends more on how you view a DH than needing to delve deeper into the math as he has a great stat line.