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Old 10-04-2005, 02:37 AM   #436
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Of COURSE he does!!! As if he would give a shit about anything other than album sales and concert ticket sales!! That's his job, and that's what he's getting 20% of. If I were in the running for 20% of U2's income, I sure as hell wouldn't care about anything else but that. The popularity and success of the band are ONLY measured in $$ for Mr McGuinnes. Someone who loves U2 but doesn't buy the concert ticket and t-shirt may as well not exist to him.

A 'fan' however is a wide ranging category to fall into. Check these boards - some us will jet all over a country or the world to see multiple shows. Some us will be just as happy to just catch the one. Some collect absolutely every version of every single from every country and a thousand bootlegs and whatever. Some of us just pick up the albums. Is there a difference in levels of 'love' of the band between those different people? I doubt it. Could there be people out there who adore U2 but just don't care for absolutely everything they release, may 'skip' an album if it's a little too experimental, or a little too commercial? Yep. Plenty. Does it downgrade the bands popularity with that person? No. I mean, think of it this way. How many people on any given night in an arena or stadium watching U2 don't own The Bomb? Probably quite a few. Several hundred or more. How many people own The Bomb but don't go to a concert? Thousands and thousands and thousands. How many people would identify themselves as loving U2 but neither own The Bomb or will go to their concert?

U2 are 'popular' with all these different groups of people but not every "I love U2" comes with the ring of a cash register. I don't think that a bands entire 'popularity' can be nailed by a sales statistic. Granted highs and lows in such things are a very large part of the story, but certainly not the whole story.
Album sales and concert ticket sales are the only way to accurately measure a bands current popularity vs. other bands and other artist. I can tell you how many people bought HTDAAB and how many people have seen the Vertigo tour so far, but you cannot tell me with any degree of accuracy, how many fans are there that love U2 but are not going to see them on this tour and have not purchased HTDAAB. You may know 5 or 6, a couple of a dozen or even a hundred, but you'll never be able to accurately say how many people are in that catagory. That is just one small reason why that is never part of the criteria in determining the current popularity of an artist. Also, the purchase of the album and the concert ticket are not just money flowing to the band, but represent and accurate head count of people who are supporting the band and can be accurately compared to other artist figures.
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:21 AM   #437
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Album sales and concert ticket sales are the only way to accurately measure a bands current popularity vs. other bands and other artist. I can tell you how many people bought HTDAAB and how many people have seen the Vertigo tour so far, but you cannot tell me with any degree of accuracy, how many fans are there that love U2 but are not going to see them on this tour and have not purchased HTDAAB. You may know 5 or 6, a couple of a dozen or even a hundred, but you'll never be able to accurately say how many people are in that catagory. That is just one small reason why that is never part of the criteria in determining the current popularity of an artist. Also, the purchase of the album and the concert ticket are not just money flowing to the band, but represent and accurate head count of people who are supporting the band and can be accurately compared to other artist figures.
But in 10 years, you can say with a certainty not guided by statistics and numbers which of any artitsts, of any genre had the greatest effect and influence which always will translate to popualrity on a bigger scale that a cash receipt.

It takes a set of ears to do this of course. Not all of us have ears, most of us do, and of those who do, some don't really know how to use them. You can't count that on a Billboard chart.

Until you accept this difference, then of course you are right.
But to ignore this difference as if it doesn't matter or doesn't exist only reveals the inability to discern true influnce, effect and popularity from a fucking boxscore and statistic.

You have to acknowledge the difference first. It's as simple as that. We all can list 9 million of the best sellers and best grossers in popular music history, but what truly tells you their ultimate popularity? Endurance, my friend. Endurance and influence.

You can't put that shit on a chart. Leave that to the money geeks.
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:40 PM   #438
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But in 10 years, you can say with a certainty not guided by statistics and numbers which of any artitsts, of any genre had the greatest effect and influence which always will translate to popualrity on a bigger scale that a cash receipt.

It takes a set of ears to do this of course. Not all of us have ears, most of us do, and of those who do, some don't really know how to use them. You can't count that on a Billboard chart.

Until you accept this difference, then of course you are right.
But to ignore this difference as if it doesn't matter or doesn't exist only reveals the inability to discern true influnce, effect and popularity from a fucking boxscore and statistic.

You have to acknowledge the difference first. It's as simple as that. We all can list 9 million of the best sellers and best grossers in popular music history, but what truly tells you their ultimate popularity? Endurance, my friend. Endurance and influence.

You can't put that shit on a chart. Leave that to the money geeks.
The artist that had the greatest influence on other artist is not necessarily the most popular artist 10 years down the road or the most remembered. Once again, what people purchase and want to hear on the radio is what determines what continues to be most popular 10 years later.

One can claim they have an "ear" for whats still popular in public from another era, but this is essentially an individual opinion. Other individuals will disagree and dispute such claims. What can't be disputed are statistical facts from sales and airplay.

The Enduring popularity of any artist can be measured by catalog album sales, radio airplay, and if the artist decides to go on tour, how many tickets they sell.
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What can't be disputed are statistical facts from sales and airplay.

Wrong! Yes it can be disputed. Just about everyone in the end of this thread IS disputing it with you. You're not listening. You're also not responding to what is being said. The art of conversation involves one person saying something and another responding to what the first person said. STING, you are just repeating the same thing over and over with little relevance to what the rest of us are saying.

In case this is unclear, heres an example. A group of people at a party are discussing a movie:

PersonOne: "Johnny Depps a bit of a spunk isn't he?"

PersonWhoDoesn'tGetIt: "The train line is closed for repairs. There will be no trains on Saturday night from eighteen hundred hours to six am the following day. There will be a number 404 replacement bus. The bus departs from platform 1 above the station.

Everyone:

PersonTwo: "Anyway........, doesn't Johnny Depp have the most perfect smile?

PersonWhoDoesn'tGetIt: "The largest warship in the world is docked at Fremantle at the moment. It's 18 storeys high, and 1.8 hectares wide. The ship will be in port from Thursday until Tuesday to allow the personnel to enjoy some R & R."

Everyone:

PersonThree: "Anyway........, what about Johnny Depps bum?


etc. and on it goes. Much like this thread.
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Wrong! Yes it can be disputed. Just about everyone in the end of this thread IS disputing it with you. You're not listening. You're also not responding to what is being said. The art of conversation involves one person saying something and another responding to what the first person said. STING, you are just repeating the same thing over and over with little relevance to what the rest of us are saying.

In case this is unclear, heres an example. A group of people at a party are discussing a movie:

PersonOne: "Johnny Depps a bit of a spunk isn't he?"

PersonWhoDoesn'tGetIt: "The train line is closed for repairs. There will be no trains on Saturday night from eighteen hundred hours to six am the following day. There will be a number 404 replacement bus. The bus departs from platform 1 above the station.

Everyone:

PersonTwo: "Anyway........, doesn't Johnny Depp have the most perfect smile?

PersonWhoDoesn'tGetIt: "The largest warship in the world is docked at Fremantle at the moment. It's 18 storeys high, and 1.8 hectares wide. The ship will be in port from Thursday until Tuesday to allow the personnel to enjoy some R & R."

Everyone:

PersonThree: "Anyway........, what about Johnny Depps bum?


etc. and on it goes. Much like this thread.
I've read nearly every post in this thread and have responded with my opinion to each one. I've never criticized anyone for having an opinion or expressing it. Your "examples" suggest that you may not have read what I said. I don't see the point of your posts because its not discussing the topic but rather is simply an attack on another person simply posting their opinions on a topic.
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I dont understand what album sales statistics have to do with the topic either (the topic being the new singer for the band), to be frank.

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Old 10-09-2005, 10:10 PM   #445
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I dont understand what album sales statistics have to do with the topic either (the topic being the new singer for the band), to be frank.

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The topic is Rock Star INXS and I stated that one of the great things about the show was that it brought INXS to a whole generation of people who did not know who they were. I stated the sales position the band was in, in 1997, and noted how the show had significantly boosted sales of the INXS catalog, especially INXS "best of" which is currently the #1 Catalog album in the USA.

I thought this was a brilliant move by the band. Not only did they find a new singer, but they got the band a level of exposure they had not received in probably 15 years, which dramatically increases the probability of success any future album or tour will have.

Other people have jumped in to dispute this and other things that I have said about INXS. I think everything has fit under the topic which is not nearly as narrow as some people think. The thread I started in the "other artist" forum got combined into this one.
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Now the hottest rumour - there has been rumblings of PopStar N'Sync - JC, Chris, Joey and Lance seek a replacement for Justin. Justin has made it clear his NSync days are over - but the million plus sales of the new Backstreet Boys album shows there is money to be made...
Please tell me this is not true.
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The topic is Rock Star INXS
yes. this thread is about the show, nothing else. this is not the place to quote statistics. this is my final warning, i'm telling you to cut it out. no more posts about statistics or anything like that or i'm closing the thread.
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Sorry WildHoneyAlways - Mike Burnett (the producer of RSI) announced there would be a new season next year - and he also was quoted as stating it would appeal to younger adults.. thus the hot rumour is N Sync... What other group needs a new singer (Justin has been quoted numerous times as saying that phase of his life is over)???
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This is a short little blurb from a Sunday newspaper here (unfortunately it's not online). Brandan Shanahan's column from the Sunday Telegraph for any Sydneysiders playing at home. Note for non-Australians, Noiseworks were a well known rockband in Australia, kinda a very weak INXS in sound. Jon Stevens was their lead singer (the named song is embarrasingly band) and he was drafted as the initial choice to replace Hutchence, something that alone was a divisive decision among people who like the band. I agree 100% with what he's 'not' writing about -

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A Reality Show That's Hardly Worth Talking About

Despite requests, I’m not going to write about INXS; it’s all just too depressing. Each development – the reality show, the new singer, the lost money – is more horrible than the last.

Watching it happen is like standing in the hospital waiting room wondering whether you should flip the switch on a coma patient. So I’m going to refrain from pointing out that Tim Fariss looks like an ageing eunuch from a medieval harm or that Kirk Pengilly could be a 17th Century French aristocrat who has just woken up from a six-moth binge of champagne and foi gras.

Cheap shots about Garry Gary Beers and his ridiculous name, while still funny, are hereby deemed passé and impolite.

I’m just not doing them. I consider it unseemly to make jokes at the expense of Jon Stevens, former lead singer of Noiseworks, a man who suffered two indignities: being dumped from INXS and being forced to become a judge on New Zealand Idol.

For a performer who gave the world tracks like Hot Chilli Woman, this must surely be a cross to bear.

It would be stating the obvious to say that the surviving members of INXS will make far more money from their TV show and increased back-catalogue sales than they could ever hope to make from any new album, negating the whole process of finding a new singer and revealing it for the cynical sham that it is. So I won’t say it.

I also refuse to point out that INXS are the first band in the world to have become their own tribute act. That would be unkind. As would noting that their foray into reality TV is a sad attempt by greedy 80’s has-beens to prove that if they walked around in public, anyone would recognize them.

INXS are an embarrassment to themselves and to anyone who may have once enjoyed what they were. As I said: I’m just not going to write about it.
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I agree 100% with what he's 'not' writing about
as do i. that was excellent.
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