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Old 05-16-2007, 02:46 PM   #31
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Stand Inside Your Love guys!!!

The perfect farewell... well, hiatus song.

This Pumpkins incarnation is probably just going to be a harder edged Zwan, but without the egos.
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i'd say go in order -
gish = loud, raw, beautifully dark and dramatic guitar rock, psychedelic, hyperkinetic, jazzy drums: siva, tristessa, snail

siamese dream = loud, immaculate, beautiful guitar rock. if gish was '60's garage, this is an epic work of pristine, meticulous production - like that overproduced brand of rock from the '70's, but modern songs and methods - cherub rock, geek usa, hummer, mayonnaise

mellon collie = sprawling, exhaustive concept album. wild variation in styles and sounds. this is their 'white album'; schizophrenic, with varying (and frequently - but not always - brilliant) results - jellybelly, 1979, porcelina, muzzle, 33, galapogos, here is no why

adore = goth, synth rock, with shades of olde time americana. they compensated for the absence of jimmy chamberlain (billy corgan's other half) with session drummers (matt cameron...) and drum machines. creative and brooding, frequently challenging - perfect, to sheila, for martha, behold! the night mare

machina I = back to the rock, their most modern sounding record, big guitar anthems, more brooding gothic metal workouts. billy dragged his brand of guitar-based music kicking and screaming into the new century, employing flange and phase and ebow with striking results. i think this album is terribly underrated - stand inside your love (favorite song), this time (oh my god!), wound, the eye of the mourning, the age of innocence, the imploding voice

machina II = intended to be a freebie given away with machina I, another highly underrated collection. the lo-fi nature of the recordings makes it difficult to listen to, but given a chance, the songwriting is striking. some of their heaviest tunes to date, some of their poppiest tunes, some of their lovliest tunes - cash car star, glass' theme, if there is a god, innosence, real love

alternatively, you could start with the greatest hits - i would say listen chronologically, to get a sense of their considerable progression. also, the tune 'untitled', is one of their best. also includes 'drown' - another smashing pumpkins classic.

pisces iscariot collects many b-sides and unreleased tracks from the sessions of the first 2 albums. not a good place to start, but if you're digging/itching for more, there are still more gems to be found - hello kitty kat, frail and bedazzled, whir, starla

i'm personally thrilled they're getting back together. it misses on the nostalgia aspect if it isn't the originals (for the record, i'd take melissa auf der maur over d'arcy any day of the week and twice on sunday), but to have billy and jimmy together making new music and playing the old songs seems well worth the price of admission in my mind. most bands undergo some sort of lineup change, we're spoiled by U2 and radiohead...

ps - that clip sounds like cheap trick! cool...
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OFFICIAL album artwork is at www.smashingpumpkins.com. It's cooler than that other crap.
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ps - that clip sounds like cheap trick! cool...
it does!
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i'm personally thrilled they're getting back together. it misses on the nostalgia aspect if it isn't the originals (for the record, i'd take melissa auf der maur over d'arcy any day of the week and twice on sunday), but to have billy and jimmy together making new music and playing the old songs seems well worth the price of admission in my mind.


Billy and Jimmy are the cornerstones, there's no doubting that. This sounds horrible, but I've always had the impression James and D'arcy were simply bit players, not at all integral to the music. Melissa seemed to be a little more involved, for sure, but it looks like she's also out of the current lineup.

Your overview was great, dudeman...I'd start right from the beginning, as well. Glad you also mentioned Pisces Iscariot. It's not the greatest starting point, but it was mine, and it grabbed me enough to get really interested. With Machina I and II, I wonder if we're allowed to post links for those here? From what I recall, those were once available for free distribution on the Pumpkins' website.

The new album art looks incredible...looks like this has the makings of a political album, which could be truly great if Billy's new ideas can match his classic narcissism

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I'm sure it's fine to post the Machina II links, since those were never officially released in the first place.
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Any plans to release Machina 2 on CD?

I never took Corgan as someone to ever turn down any kind of cheque.
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That's a criminal "list" for Adore. Try this:
To Sheila
Ava Adore
Perfect
Daphne Descends
Appels & Oranjes
Shame
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Add these for Machina as well:
Try, Try, Try
Everlasting Gaze
Raindrops + Sunshowers
Wound
Age Of Innocence
I agree. I'm a regular listener of the mid 90's stuff; the later stuff faded so I went back to it over the last couple days. While I couldn't say Adore is gonna have the staying power of Mellon Collie or Siamese, it's got some good songs; especially Ava Adore along with Perfect. Daphne & Apples are good too. And so Dusty & Pistol Pete surprisingly.

Machina; I forgot or maybe never relaized how good about half of it is. I The Mourning is good too as is This Time but my fav may be The Imploding Voice. Should have been the lead off single.
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I'm sure it's fine to post the Machina II links, since those were never officially released in the first place.
Most definately they are. They were released by the band spefically to be distributed freely over the internet. Machina was supposed to be a double album, but the record company wouldn't do it. So after the Pumpkins left the label, they released Machina II
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I thought Machina I was an official release while Machina II was just an album they spread on the internet, but for the same reasons you mentioned above: Machina I was a commercial failure.
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Good call on that one, it's tied with Perfect (1979's little sister) as my favorite off of Adore.

How about Mayonaise off of Siamese Dream? That's their best song no one's heard of.
Drown is their best song no one's heard of. It's their best song period I think.
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I agree. I'm a regular listener of the mid 90's stuff; the later stuff faded so I went back to it over the last couple days. While I couldn't say Adore is gonna have the staying power of Mellon Collie or Siamese, it's got some good songs; especially Ava Adore along with Perfect. Daphne & Apples are good too. And so Dusty & Pistol Pete surprisingly.

Machina; I forgot or maybe never relaized how good about half of it is. I The Mourning is good too as is This Time but my fav may be The Imploding Voice. Should have been the lead off single.
Adore and Machina are very underrated. I think some of the negativity comes from people who haven't listened to them in a while. Adore and Machina had a lot of songs that could have been hit singles. It's kind of puzzling to me that they weren't more successful. The videos for those two albums were . Ava Adore had great visuals and Try, Try, Try is one of the saddest and most beautiful videos ever.
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Drown is their best song no one's heard of. It's their best song period I think.
It's definitely up there, but I love Mayonaise more. The entire Singles soundtrack is something else. You can always count on Cameron Crowe's film's soundtracks to kick ass.
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You can download Machina II here, which has the 320 kbit/s version. For as far as I know, it's perfectly legal to distribute these.
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Adore and Machina are very underrated. I think some of the negativity comes from people who haven't listened to them in a while. Adore and Machina had a lot of songs that could have been hit singles. It's kind of puzzling to me that they weren't more successful. The videos for those two albums were . Ava Adore had great visuals and Try, Try, Try is one of the saddest and most beautiful videos ever.
I can see why Adore didn't explode, whenever a band stops producing their own sound and decided to encorporate contemporary dance music, the album seems to fail (hmmm, I wonder where I could find another example of this).

Machina though... It must have been because they lost momentum from Adore. It's not as strong as Siamese and as diverse and epic as MC, but it Rocks. Maybe it's because they released a rock album when rock was at an all time low. I think it would have been a much bigger album if it were the follow-up to MC.

Another thing I was thinking of; Billy never names the song after the chorus. I keep trying to remember if I liked a song or not; scanning the track list was no help. The hook in I In The Mourning is "Radio, Radio". I couldn't remember the name of the damn song. Now had it been named Radio or Radio Radio it may have been easier.

Same with Muzzle from MC. I love that song! But forgot the title so always skipped it.
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