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Old 08-03-2007, 12:22 AM   #31
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In fact, Lazarus, see below:

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Top 10 Directors:

1. Martin Scorcese (Raging Bull)
2. Stanley Kubrick (A Clockwork Orange)
3. Michael Mann (Heat)
4. Steven Spielberg (Schindler's List)
5. Woody Allen (Manhattan)
6. James L. Brooks (Broadcast News)
7. Roman Polanski (Chinatown)
8. David Fincher (Tie - The Game/Zodiac)
9. Terry Gilliam - (Time Bandits)
10. Christopher Nolan (The Prestige)

Top 10 Actors:

1. Robert DeNiro (Raging Bull)
2. Jack Nicholson (Chinatown)
3. Clive Owen (Croupier)
4. Robert Duvall (G-dfather)
5. Al Pacino (G-dfather)
6. Daniel Day Lewis (Gangs of New York)
7. Ralph Fiennes (Schindler's List)
8. Sean Penn (Mystic River)
9. Kevin Kline (A Fish Called Wanda)
10. William Hurt (Broadcast News)

Top 10 Actresses:

1. Kate Winslet (Holy Smoke)
2. Meryl Streep (Sophie's Choice)
3. Holly Hunter (Broadcast News)
4. Susan Sarandon (Bull Durham)
5. Jessica Lange (Tootsie)
6. Michelle Pfeiffer (The Fabulous Baker Boys)
7. Rachel Weisz (The Constant Gardener)
8. Faye Dunaway (Network)
9. Diane Keaton (Annie Hall)
10. Jodie Foster (Silence of the Lambs)

That was difficult.
That's from another thread in here. That list of mine is just a subjective thing, of course...I'm no expert, and, that list could also be different if made on a different day. So, yeah, I love Spielberg but i recognize that there is better, or, I should say, work that I better enjoy.....but that does not diminish my enjoyment of Spielberg's work.
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I like Speilberg because he continues to make every movie a happy ending. It gives me great pleasure to know that those 'happy endings' are a giant middle finger to many of you ...
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yep, pop flicks made for chicks

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Old 08-03-2007, 01:07 PM   #34
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I totally disagree with Lazarus' statement regarding Speilberg making a grand connection without comprimise.

But this also connects with what I said about Spielberg being ignored by film snobs. I understand what you're saying about this films, but who's to say he's wrong? So he gives his films a happy ending. That's Spielberg. That's how he feels about cinema and his audience. He wants people to walk away feeling generally thrilled or happy after going to the theater. That's a rarely great gift these days. Very few people have such a strong gift to consistently create magical and uplifting films. We need Spielberg to be Spielberg.

On the other hand, we need Scorsese to be Scorsese. They are both fantastic film-makers, but they're also completely different. So yeah, Spielberg is not the most qualitatively "great" director around, but he has been able to do something that almost nobody else has been able to do in the business.
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I re-watched A.I. last night and it's really jumped up on my list of favorite Spielberg flicks, even though it's partly Kubrick.

My Top 10 of Spielberg:
1. Schindler's List
2. Raiders of the Lost Ark
3. Jaws
4. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
5. E.T.: The Extra Terrestrial
6. Jurassic Park
7. A.I.: Artificial Intelligence
8. Munich
9. Saving Private Ryan
10. Minority Report

I still need to see Amistad, The Color Purple, and Empire of the Sun.

About Scorcese, I don't think I've seen one of his films all of the way through yet. Yes, I phail at movie snobdom, I'll torrent them sometime so Mama LMP doesn't see. (she's a prude when it comes to movies, you see.)
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Spiffy list LMP. But you should see and list Poltergiest if you haven't seen it yet. It's actually more of a Spielberg film than A.I, even though he's not attached as director.

As for Scorsese:

1. Casino
2. Taxi Driver
3. Raging Bull
4. Goodfellas
5. Gangs of New York
6. The Aviator
7. The Departed
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8. Cape Fear

Personally, of the ones I've seen.
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Thanks, I haven't seen Poltergeist in years, but I remember liking it. The face-ripping scene always creeped me out. The shitty sequels are always on TV, which are impossible not to sit and watch and laugh.

Funny thing about Cape Fear:

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'Steven Spielberg' was originally set to direct. He later recommended Martin Scorsese for the job and personally called the director, letting him know that this was a commercial film that had potential to be a hit, which would exercise more power for Scorcese to make his films.
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Happy ending, always ? SPR, Schindler, AI, Munich.

Spielberg is the man.
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To be fair, SPR and AI were marginally happy/hopeful endings. I mean, they're still tear-jokers, but yeah... And Munich wasn't a sad ending per-se either. Not happy though either I guess.
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How ? Everyone died except PR (and that chicken Upham, and the guy most pissed about the whole mission), the robot boy only got one single day with his mom, and Munich left the main hero a broken man.
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The whole point of the epilogue in SPR was to show how the sacrifice of the men allowed for not only our free country (note the hefty flag-waving at the end) but also that Ryan was given the chance to grow old and raise a fuitful family of his own. How is that not a hopeful ending? Imagine if he has ended the film with Hanks saying "earn it." That would have been a depressing ending.

Same thing goes for A.I. After finding the blue fairy, he could have ended trapped under the sea for all eternity. But instead, David got the chance to return home, and spend a day with his mother again, to be loved. That was his goal all along. It's definitely a sad film, but it ends on a hopeful phrase as well.

As for Munich, I'd need to see it again anyway, but I know I didn't walk away from the film feeling "Oh, how sad". It was just a damn good movie.
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I felt that was a bit over patriotic with the flag, now what you mention it.
It is hopeful for Ryan but what about Miller's team ? To me a proper happy end would be more - obviously not everyone will survive a war - of Miller's men surviving, most of all Miller himself, to see Ryan "earn it". Consider the "was I a good man?" self-doubt question to Ryan's wife.

He did get a day with his mother, but that's it. He will spend many, many years alone as a robot.
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For record, I greatly enjoyed about 4/5 of A.I., which I think contains his greatest filmmaking, and have a soft spot for Always & Catch Me If You Can. His only unqualified masterpieces in my opinion are Jaws and Close Encounters.
I agree about A.I.

I'd say 3/4 of it is a better film than SPR or Schindler and in fact his best work...for that 75% (or whatever the figure would be).
But if you include the flaws, then you'd have to move it further down his list. I think in many ways A.I. sums up Spielberg and his ability to be masterful and problematic at the same time.

I think there is a happy median in between the popcorn gushing money machine and the faux brow snobbery. I think it resides somewhere in league with what lazarus said.

He always seems to go for the easy swelling strings moment, his characters are often very thin and he doesn't seem to trust that his audience will be smart enough to find something and ends up painting it out in large right on the screen.

He's got the disease U2 has adopted in the last several years.
A complete dearth of subtlety. Maybe that's why I liked so much of A.I. and even Munich to a lesser extent, he seemed to be trusting his audience more than he did in the past.

I'm no Spielberg basher, in fact I think he's a bit underappreciated within semi-serious and certainly serious discussions abut popular film. He's actually one of my favorite directors, I just think he takes the easy route a bit too often.

That said, nobody is better at making a film like Jaws or Raiders.
And I TOTALLY agree about Schindler's List, the breakdown of Oscar Schindler, that was easily the worst part of that movie and totally unnatural, it's almost as if he said to himself "I'm gonna see if I can get one last tear-jerk" in here. The material itself gives a heavy emotional weight, the acting and storytelling were masterful and then, here comes the token sappy moment....

He couldn't just let it breathe.
Sort of like U2 these days in the final months of an album.
I still hold them both in high regard, maybe even to a standard that is unfair.
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Same thing goes for A.I. After finding the blue fairy, he could have ended trapped under the sea for all eternity. But instead, David got the chance to return home, and spend a day with his mother again, to be loved. That was his goal all along. It's definitely a sad film, but it ends on a hopeful phrase as well.
And it should be noted that this was Kubrick's ending and as stated before, he wasn't taken by aliens but machines, which you can only blame Spielberg for not making the machines look more mechanical(?), I guess would be the correct term.

Spielberg took a lot of shit for the ending, many critics saying he wrecked Kubrick's movie, when in fact he was very respectful of Kubrick's vision and that was Kubrick's ending as well.

I think it's fairly close to being a masterpiece.
If Kubrick had made the film it may have been a masterpiece, then again he may have sucked a lot of life out of it, Kubrick gave the project to SS because he said it fit his sentiment. So, I think Kubrick knew that SS could make the audience feel for the robot.

The great gap of the film for myself was losing the fact that he was a robot. I forgot he was a robot in many respects and I'm not really sure if that was the intention or not. It made it very emotional, in fact I had tears in my eyes at the end but I feel like there was a larger question being asked or to be answered, if we could make artificial intelligence have feelings, what does that say about the importance of humankind or emotion itself?

Obviously more intelligent people could frame the big questions better than myself, I just felt like the potential for something really poignant was right there and I'm not sure it delivered. I guess I could say I'm not sure if my conditional praise is validated or not.

So is that indicative of Spielberg? Maybe years later I feel like he could do X, Y and Z but I walked away really pleased at the time and even to this day recommend the movie.

Oh well, I'm not well versed enough in the art of film to dissect it down, I just know that this movie didn't deserve all the bashing it received.
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I loved AI...

I agree the ending was not the greatest, I really feel it should have ended with him finding the blue fairy but whatever...

I found the ideas involved very disturbing, it raises a lot of moral questions for the future that both interests and terrifies me at the same time...
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