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Old 06-26-2008, 04:52 PM   #136
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If U2: The Band didn't want that, they wouldn't do it. Period. I don't buy that at all.
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Everyone asumes they don't have their footing in the rock world but they do whether even they realize it. They don't sound like other bands. They have their own sound like I described.

You can think ATYCLB is good like you said it is all subjective but you can't deny they were going for hits and radio friendly stuff. They started to care more about selling records then anything else.
To me, Coldplay sounds like a watered down mix of U2, Radiohead, R.E.M., George Harrison/latter Beatles, and now Brian Eno and Bowie/Eno stuff. The problem is, they can't make the pieces fit together well enough. Let's step into a film comparison here: P.T. Anderson's style is derivative of Martin Scorsese and Robert Altman, specifically, but you can still tell he injects enough of his own essence into his work, otherwise he's just a pure copycat. Like I said above, I'm glad you feel this way, Screwy, but don't expect everyone to agree with you. Enjoy them on your own terms.

I think ATYCLB is a response to their '90s period, and yes, it is more hits-oriented, but it marks a specific time in their lives. They're not the same guys they were in the '80s or '90s, trying to find their places in the world. They are where they are now. The band itself is a family. That album is about finally finding your place in the world and having to deal with that. Plus, it's ties to 9/11 give it an extra layer of pathos on top of the previous areas of awesome. Is it a perfect album? No. But to say it's just the band on autopilot is ill-informed. You can subjectively dislike it, but there are enough qualities on that album that make it stand apart from the rest of their discography, in a good way.

Every band wants to make a connection with people, that's why they fucking make music. And U2 in particular wanted to let everyone know that they're back and ready to take the world by storm again.
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I disagree here. The songs on MDH should have been the direction they took instead of what ultimately became ATYCLB. The Ground Beneath Her Feet is their best song from this decade.

And you can't use an argument like they needed a little help for it, because Coldplay got plenty of help from Eno on Viva La Vida. I don't care who helps as long as it's good.
Having a producer help you and having one of the greatest authors of our time help you write a song is a very different thing. Very different.
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They are derivative. Everyone else sees it, why can't you?
Coldplay were crafted by the hands of God to bestow upon us euphoric soundscapes that ignite the flames of our soul and propel us towards the revelatory epiphanies that will ultimately incite the glorious Revolution.

U2 have been bullshit since 1976.
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I'll concede this to you... IGN didn't mention U2 once but then they are not exactly the height of the musical critique set...

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And Screwtape, Stateless wasn't a commercial song at all. In fact, it sounds even more unlike U2 than TGBHF does.

The last thing we have to go on is Fast Cars, and I'm very optimistic. All talk has been about moving in a different direction. So how can it sound like the last two?

Also, I think ATYCLB is the more cohesive collection, but the songs, to me, aren't as good as The Bomb.
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I'll concede this to you... IGN didn't mention U2 once but then they are not exactly the height of the musical critique set...

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Did anyone look at the comments section there? Good 'ol Shart1780 had to mention U2.
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If U2: The Band didn't want that, they wouldn't do it. Period. I don't buy that at all.
Hold on there a second. Define "it". What are they doing exactly that a real™ band wouldn't?
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Did anyone look at the comments section there? Good 'ol Shart1780 had to mention U2.
you gotta be fucking kidding me...
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If U2: The Band didn't want that, they wouldn't do it. Period. I don't buy that at all.
That's cool. Of course it's up to interpretation, since none of us know for sure, so that makes perfect sense, too.

I think LM's right about that "eternal song" idea. They want to be like the Abbey Road/Let It Be-era Beatles and have that one song that will transcend everything to the same degree as "Hey Jude" or "Let It Be."

But if you were in a band, would you rather focus on making the songs, or marketing it yourselves when you know there's a solid team that's been working with you for years and a label that would promote the hell out of it anyway?
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Did anyone look at the comments section there? Good 'ol Shart1780 had to mention U2.
He really likes In Rainbows, that's for sure.
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Hold on there a second. Define "it". What are they doing exactly that a real™ band wouldn't?
They are doing the opposite of your statement here:

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They are doing the opposite of your statement here:
You're judging motive without having any real facts.
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Wragging on a band for being derivative of another is kind of silly when you think about it. I can't think of a single band today that doesn't take some (or all) of it's sound from a band that came before...
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Wragging on a band for being derivative of another is kind of silly when you think about it. I can't think of a single band today that doesn't take some (or all) of it's sound from a band that came before...
Definitely, it's just how it's all put together that makes it a big issue, you know. That and Coldplay's massive popularity may have something to do with it.
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