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Old 06-29-2010, 06:47 PM   #166
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(The Left has their own loonies too, but right now they're not necessary.)

can you name the left-wing equivalents of Palin, Beck, and Rush?
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:02 PM   #167
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can you name the left-wing equivalents of Palin, Beck, and Rush?
As has been discussed before, I think Olbermann balances Rush and Beck nicely.

As far as Palin, Howard Dean comes to mind -- someone ill-equipped to handle the pressures of the candidacy, who has found an appropriate niche for himself elsewhere in the party.
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can you name the left-wing equivalents of Palin, Beck, and Rush?
I'm sure people could come up with a comparable list of names--say, a Sharpton, Olbermann, and Moore?--but actually there is no left wing equivalent because nobody on the Left seems to resonating with and motivating such a large number of the much acclaimed "regular" folks Benji mentioned. As manic as much of his posts have been, he's right about one thing--it's not just loonies that are finding that what these people have to say rings true to them. I know a number of them, and they really are good people--compassionate, decent folks. But they're scared by how fast the country and the culture is changing. Palin, Beck, and Rush speak to that. Nobody on the left is having the kind of cultural infuence that they are, and that is actually what worries me more than the three of them themselves.
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I know a number of them, and they really are good people--compassionate, decent folks. But they're scared by how fast the country and the culture is changing. Palin, Beck, and Rush speak to that. Nobody on the left is having the kind of cultural infuence that they are, and that is actually what worries me more than the three of them themselves.
Could it be that those on the left don't scare as easily when things start to change (i.e. a black president)?
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As has been discussed before, I think Olbermann balances Rush and Beck nicely.
Oh come on, seriously?

They may "balance" each other as far as where they stand on the political spectrum, but no way do they balance each other as far as how they communicate or influence on their audience. They are not even close in that aspect.
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can you name the left-wing equivalents of Palin, Beck, and Rush?
Not in terms of audience.
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Could it be that those on the left don't scare as easily when things start to change (i.e. a black president)?
As some one who tends to lean left, I find that conclusion appealing, but ultimately I think if we're being honest, it's a bit self-serving and I'm wary of it.

I feel it's more a human nature thing. The fact is the old white Christian default in this country is losing ground to the new brown pluralism. When you're on the losing side, it's not unusual to be scared.
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Not in terms of audience.
Exactly.
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I feel it's more a human nature thing. The fact is the old white Christian default in this country is losing ground to the new brown pluralism. When you're on the losing side, it's not unusual to be scared.
This is what I meant; you're just more eloquent.

I do think Obama's presidency is a visible reminder of this change, though. It was easier to take when a white man was president and was "holding our ground" as it were. Now, not only is the president one of them, he's probably going to encourage others like him to assure more leadership roles. This can only mean more ground lost.

I don't like fear. I try not to let it run my life, so I tend to have very little patience with those who do.
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Could it be that those on the left don't scare as easily when things start to change (i.e. a black president)?


Sorry, it's my nerves don't ya know.
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As has been discussed before, I think Olbermann balances Rush and Beck nicely.

As far as Palin, Howard Dean comes to mind -- someone ill-equipped to handle the pressures of the candidacy, who has found an appropriate niche for himself elsewhere in the party.


perhaps from a professional standpoint, but from an ideological one? really? you think Olbermann is as Left as Rush/Beck are Right?
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Not in terms of audience.
Exactly.

The "mainstream" far right look at Glenn, Hannity, Rush as real news, mindlessly believe their warped history, manipulations, and they need this preaching to the choir mentality. It's why everyday news outlets seem "liberal" to them, it's why real history scares them, and why secularism looks like anti-god to them. The "mainstream" left don't need this.
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they also make their money by trashing and discrediting actual journalists, which further increases their market share. why read the newspaper when Rush will read it for you?
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perhaps from a professional standpoint, but from an ideological one? really? you think Olbermann is as Left as Rush/Beck are Right?
Pretty much.
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I do think Obama's presidency is a visible reminder of this change, though. It was easier to take when a white man was president and was "holding our ground" as it were. Now, not only is the president one of them, he's probably going to encourage others like him to assure more leadership roles. This can only mean more ground lost.
I don't think many of the people who don't make it on TV with their loony-toon signs would articulate it this way. . .at least the people I know. While what you're saying may be true I have a feeling many people don't think of it that way consciously and as a result take great offense when such accusations are made. Pretty much everyone--including those of us on the left-- is racist to some degree. Very few people own it.

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I don't like fear. I try not to let it run my life, so I tend to have very little patience with those who do.
Imagine it was their agenda, antifemnist, antihomosexual, antimulti-cultural that was winning the day. How would you feel? Maybe a little bit scared?
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