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Old 04-27-2009, 02:05 PM   #286
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i skimmed through the thread and didn't find any discussion on this so i figured i'd share this.

story: tennessee gun laws;guns and restaurants; guns and bars - WREG
recently, the state of tennessee passed a bill allowing guns to be brought into bars. so now if you want to go to a bar over the weekend to have a drink or grab a bite to eat and watch the game, the person next to you who's drunk off his ass might have a gun. needless to say, there's been a lot of people as well as restaurant/bar employees upset over this. what if someone's had a few too many and you cut them off as that's your responsibility as a bartender, and they put a gun to your head and demand you give them another beer? as long as they have their permit and it's between 5 a.m.-11 p.m., they're not breaking any laws.

not to even really get into a huge gun control debate, i don't even see why this was brought to the floor in the first place. tennessee's unemployment is at nearly 10% (yippee, i'm part of a statistic!) and this is what they're debating about? that's another issue of course, but when did tennessee become the wild west where debates had to be settled out back with a duel?
More people scared about what could happen. I doubt anyone that has shot someone in a bar in TN to date has cared about whether it was legal to carry a gun inside. I wouldn't carry while drinking but since this obviously includes chain restaurants that serve alcohol, yeah I might carry there.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:16 PM   #287
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More people scared about what could happen.
Um, yeah... It's kinda stupid to get scared after the fact.

I don't want drunk people operating machinery or guns, simple as that.


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I doubt anyone that has shot someone in a bar in TN to date has cared about whether it was legal to carry a gun inside.
But now it's legal. So what do you think the likelihood of more guns being carried into a bar now? More or less than before?
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:18 PM   #288
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I don't think it's really a bar thing as much as restaurants like Applebees and I'm surprised that in TN it wasn't already legal.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:11 PM   #289
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I don't think it's really a bar thing as much as restaurants like Applebees and I'm surprised that in TN it wasn't already legal.
given that forbes just put out an article listing memphis (where i live) as the second most dangerous city in america and nashville in ninth place, i'm not exactly convinced this is no big deal. and given it's been legalized in all bars, it's more an issue of someone going to the local bar and having one too many beers than someone at applebee's getting drunk off mudslides.
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As scared as Applebees is to serve booze that won't be a problem. I seriously doubt you have to worry about random crime, most people here get shot when they leave the bar because whoever was looking for them knew where they drink. A lot of the people doing your killing really don't care about laws.
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A lot of the people doing your killing really don't care about laws.
Well this is obvious, for once you pull the trigger you've broken the law, but did they care about laws prior to that, obviously some did since they weren't in prison.
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Well this is obvious, for once you pull the trigger you've broken the law, but did they care about laws prior to that, obviously some did since they weren't in prison.
When you look at the number of murderers who were felons in possession of a gun despite the law against that, no. Just because they weren't in prison doesn't mean they never went.
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I never said all. It's just a weak argument. Gun crimes are commited by criminals. Well no shit.

But the whole point that many of us have been making is that more laxed gun laws put more guns into the hands of and makes it much easier for law abiding and criminals alike to be carrying and using guns.
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Old 04-27-2009, 04:21 PM   #294
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I don't want them to be more lax. They're fine as they are.
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No, they aren't. When you remove waiting periods, allow assault rifles, allowed to carry on college campuses or bars they're becoming too lax...
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Old 04-27-2009, 05:24 PM   #296
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They weren't allowed on campus during Va Tech. More laws don't do anything but give criminals something to ignore and politicians a way to get elected.
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Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see how many more shootings that will occur now that more and more campuses will start to allow guns...
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I'm sure it'll be equal to now. I didn't realize many campuses were going pro carry.
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It looks like they soon will be in Texas...

College campuses are already unique environments when it comes to violence; the stress, alcohol, etc... the idea of throwing guns in the mix is pretty scary to me.
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were all these people criminals before they had guns?
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