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Old 11-24-2009, 12:14 PM   #31
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Is not Socialized Medicine alive and well in Belguim?

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Do you think if this happened in the US in 1986 things would be different? Give us some insight oh guru of medicine.
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Old 11-24-2009, 12:28 PM   #32
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Yep. They were ranked 21st by the World Health Organization.
Yeah, somebody explain that to Rom Houben.

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Diamond, literally nothing you're saying has anything to do with anything that matters at all.
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:18 PM   #34
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Do you think if this happened in the US in 1986 things would be different? Give us some insight oh guru of medicine.
Is this going unanswered because you haven't found a picture yet? Or because you don't have a clue?
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Is this going unanswered because you haven't found a picture yet? Or because you don't have a clue?
I think his chances would have been better if he were here.

What needs to be determined is what medical protocol was under Beguim's govt ran health care plan.

If it it is determined that his EKGs or other exams were rationed or limited because of Belguim's govt ran health care plan, then I would be correct.

Until then, I do not think you should get your panties in a wad, nor lose any sleep over this issue.

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I think his chances would have been better if he were here.
Reading is fun. If you read this or other articles, you would be able to determine that the technology used to make this discovery was not around in 86, in fact it's fairly new. So let's try and avoid politicizing someone's suffering especially when you don't know what you are talking about...

Let's show some of that compassion you always TALK about, shall we?
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Reading is fun. If you read this or other articles, you would be able to determine that the technology used to make this discovery was not around in 86, in fact it's fairly new. So let's try and avoid politicizing someone's suffering especially when you don't know what you are talking about...

Let's show some of that compassion you always TALK about, shall we?
And a compassionate US Dr not relegated w govt rationing could have took upon himself to to EKGs in 87, 88, 89, 90, 91-2003 etc if he wanted to.

We don't know if that's true in Belguim, correct-but it could be under a relegated govt ran health care program perhaps.

That's my point.

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"could" "wanted to" "think"

But you don't know, you've fallen for all Hannity/Beck propaganda, and now you're using your wishful thinking to make a point about a subject you know nothing about...
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I just dont understand how some American's continue to defend such a shitty healthcare system.
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And a compassionate US Dr not relegated w govt rationing could have took upon himself to to EKGs in 87, 88, 89, 90, 91-2003 etc if he wanted to.

We don't know if that's true in Belguim, correct-but it could be under a relegated govt ran health care program perhaps.

That's my point.

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You really have this deep-seated need to be an American exceptionalist, don't you? What part of this do you not understand?

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But then doctors used a state-of-the-art scanning system on the brain of the martial arts enthusiast, which showed it was functioning almost normally.
THE TECHNOLOGY DID NOT EXIST IN 1983. Clearly, EEGs (not EKGs, they're used for cardiac purposes) are not sophisticated enough to pick up on the subtle signs of his consciousness, they needed the new scanning system, which DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL LATER.

Wow.
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I just dont understand how some American's continue to defend such a shitty healthcare system.
BECAUSE WE LOVE FREEDOM!!!! So that's what we do. We defend stuff that's shit because WE CAN!!! Not like you facists in Canada and your barbaric tree worshipping rituals. Atheist Socialist Pig Dogs.





If this guy was in America and this happened his family would have gone bankrupt from trying to pay his bills, they'd resent him, and then probably have had the plug pulled to save their future.
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I think his chances would have been better if he were here.

What needs to be determined is what medical protocol was under Beguim's govt ran health care plan.

If it it is determined that his EKGs or other exams were rationed or limited because of Belguim's govt ran health care plan, then I would be correct.

Until then, I do not think you should get your panties in a wad, nor lose any sleep over this issue.

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Fina Houben, 73, had taken her son on five separate trips to the United States for tests before Laureys' intervention.
Well would you look at that Diamond. Even the doctors in the greatest healthcare country in the world shit the bed and failed to recognize his situation.


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Doctor in 'coma' case re-examining dozens more patients | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Fina Houben, 73, had taken her son on five separate trips to the United States for tests before Laureys' intervention.
That's American for "we don't accept this insurance."
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This story may not be what people want it to be.

Is this man communicating?

or is he a ventriloquist's dummy?

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“It was especially frustrating when my family needed me. I could not share in their sorrow. We could not give each other support,” he wrote, punching the words letter by letter into a touchscreen with one finger held by an assistant at the ’t Weyerke institute in eastern Belgium. The 46-year-old Houben is now communicating with one finger and a special touchscreen on his wheelchair.

A leading bioethicist, however, expressed skepticism that the man was truly communicating on his own.

The therapist, Linda Wouters, told APTN that she can feel Houben guiding her hand with gentle pressure from his fingers, and that she feels him objecting when she moves his hand toward an incorrect letter.

"It was especially frustrating when my family needed me. I could not share in their sorrow. We could not give each other support," Houben wrote during the interview at the 't Weyerke institute in eastern Belgium.

“Just imagine. You hear, see, feel and think but no one can see that. You undergo things. You cannot participate in life.”

Arthur Caplan, a bioethics professor at the University of Pennsylvania, said he is skeptical of Houben's ability to communicate after seeing video of his hand being moved along the keyboard.

"That's called 'facilitated communication,'" Caplan said. "That is ouija board stuff. It's been discredited time and time again. When people look at it, it's usually the person doing the pointing who's doing the messages, not the person they claim they are helping."

Caplan also said the statements Houben allegedly made with the computer seem unnatural for someone with such a profound injury and an inability to communicate for decades.


Asked how he felt when his consciousness was discovered, he responded: “I especially felt relief. Finally be able to show that I was indeed there.”

“Just like with a baby, it happens with a lot of stumbling,” he wrote.
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Well would you look at that Diamond. Even the doctors in the greatest healthcare country in the world shit the bed and failed to recognize his situation.


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Apparently so, very sad.

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