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Old 01-20-2009, 09:56 PM   #16
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Because I think it's a question built on a false premise.

If somebody asked me, "Why is the sky green?" how should that be answered?
What is the false premise? That racism is dead? If it weren't for the white vote, Obama wouldn't be president. In my mind that proves that race is no longer an issue. What? Do you think white people voted for him because he is black? No, they voted because he presented logical arguments, won their hearts, and they put their trust in him to lead our country. Race had nothing to do with the quote/unquote white vote. However sad it is that some white people voted against Obama because he is black it is equally as sad and troubling that some are viewing his win and this day as vindication for their bitterness against white people.

I am sure some are responding as I am so I'll sit back and read some of the responses before responding any further, but know I mean this respectfully and also respect your opinions even if disagreeing with me.
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Are there people in Mississippi that have an IQ over 35? If so, I'd like to meet one.
this is the best way to discuss racism?
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Old 01-20-2009, 09:59 PM   #18
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this is the best way to discuss racism?
Nope. I just enjoy insulting genuinely stupid, racist, rednecks anytime I get an opportunity. I've known too many of them in my life.

ETA: I have a huge amount of them in my extended family, unfortunately.
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Old 01-20-2009, 09:59 PM   #19
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Are there people in Mississippi that have an IQ over 35? If so, I'd like to meet one.
That's a bit much.

It's important because it's not like the Jim Crow laws and slavery were hundreds of years in the past. Less than 50 years ago, there were laws to discriminate. That's not a long time. Whatever your thoughts on the state of racism today, you have to admit that what's going on today does not erase what happened mere decades ago.

There were people there today who lived through it. Tell them it's not important.
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That's a bit much.

It's important because it's not like the Jim Crow laws and slavery were hundreds of years in the past. Less than 50 years ago, there were laws to discriminate. That's not a long time. Whatever your thoughts on the state of racism today, you have to admit that what's going on today does not erase what happened mere decades ago.

There were people there today who lived through it. Tell them it's not important.

You know, I have to say, that's an absolutely great point. There are a lot of people who suffered a lot of pain back then that are still alive today and I guess I am being a little naive. To answer other's questions, yes, I'm white. But I was raised by parents who were once scolded for calling a black man 'sir'. I wasn't raised in a racist home and quite frankly, it wasn't until I was an adult that I even heard that story. We were first to look at each other as human, then American. And then as I get older, I really just see human.

Again, I agree and am moved by the day. But I wish it weren't an issue, and I wasn't just being naive to assume.
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What is the false premise? That racism is dead? If it weren't for the white vote, Obama wouldn't be president. In my mind that proves that race is no longer an issue.
Well, it doesn't in mine. At all.

I remember reading a story by an Obama canvasser in one of the southern states. She knocked on the door and a woman answered. When asked who she is voting for, the woman said, she didn't know, she hadn't yet asked her husband. At that point the husband came to the door and said something to the effect of "I lost my job and we're gonna lose this house, so whatever, I'm voting for the nigger."

According to you, he's not a racist.
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I guess I am being a little naive.
You are.

It's a wonderful wish to think that race doesn't matter, and I do think it's a question that white people raise more than black people. You need to read a little more widely, travel a little more and talk to a wider variety of people.

Then ask your question again.
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this is the best way to discuss racism?
You didn't address my comment.
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You are.

It's a wonderful wish to think that race doesn't matter, and I do think it's a question that white people raise more than black people. You need to read a little more widely, travel a little more and talk to a wider variety of people.

Then ask your question again.
Well, you make assumptions that I haven't already. But that's okay, I've made a few assumptions in here myself.
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You didn't address my comment.
what ?

about MS?
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Well, it doesn't in mine. At all.

I remember reading a story by an Obama canvasser in one of the southern states. She knocked on the door and a woman answered. When asked who she is voting for, the woman said, she didn't know, she hadn't yet asked her husband. At that point the husband came to the door and said something to the effect of "I lost my job and we're gonna lose this house, so whatever, I'm voting for the nigger."
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This story makes me sad for so many different reasons. And for some reason reminds me of this story: The day after the election and after spending the evening in Grant Park I walked into my school and found a trio of African American boys chanting, "We gotta nigga in the White House, oh boy! We gotta nigga in the White House!"

After I stopped them I locked myself in my office for a minute and blinked back tears. I was so frustrated. Seeing that story renews my frustration.
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what ?

about MS?

yeah.
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If race was like technology... then election of Obama as president was like humans reaching the moon. This was sort of the high point of the race issue.
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Well, you make assumptions that I haven't already.

Your wide-eyed insistence that race doesn't matter indicates that either that I'm right, you weren't paying attention, or you just like things happy and smiley.
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yeah.
first, I think you have been posting in here long enough to have seen me post more than once that I believe race to be towards the top of the list of things that are still a problem in this country.

second, I did find it odd that u2best was making an argument against racism,
(having a bias against members of a race) by showing bias towards the citizens of Mississippi.
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