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Old 09-09-2010, 07:10 PM   #241
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It doesn't really matter now at this point how many his congregation is, he's in the spotlight.
I am more sympathetic to (even if I disagree with) the concerns of New Yorkers about the mosque than I am about some publicity-hound pastor based in Florida from the lunatic fringe. No matter how loudly he screams, he doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Fringe is fringe.

But he got what he got -- attention, including notice from the President of the friggin' United States. So I guess the old axiom is true -- bad behavior will always be rewarded.
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Three cheers for religious extortion!

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Old 09-09-2010, 07:17 PM   #243
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Most amusing thing about the article: "This is not the time to do it."

Do tell us, when would be the time to burn the Koran?
Perhaps when making a point about the value of free speech. Begin by buying duplicates and donate them to a library to make a point of respecting the free exchange of ideas. Then burn the book (or books) as a demonstration that this is an open society that values freedom of expression and freedom of speech even when it is offensive. And frankly the Koran itself has a lot more material that upsets me than a madman in Florida lighting his own bonfire.

I don't think that this pastor is a good human being. At the same time I don't want religions to be given immunity from criticism. If I support the right for one type of blasphemy (Mohammed cartoons) then I would be a hypocrite for opposing this pastors right to offend.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:32 PM   #244
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Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center listened as Imam Muhammad Musri, president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida in Orlando, spoke at a press conference in Gainesville, Fla., on Thursday.

But the global controversy he started — drawing pointed criticism from President Obama and an array of leaders, officials and celebrities in the United States and abroad — stirred new questions and concerns even as he announced its end.

Mr. Jones said he called off the burning in return for a promise to move a proposed mosque in New York City to a new location far from ground zero.

That supposed deal, announced here on the lawn of Mr. Jones’s church, does not appear to exist.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said in a statement that he had not spoken to Mr. Jones or Imam Muhammad Musri, the Orlando, Fla., imam who joined Mr. Jones for his announcement. Even Mr. Musri, after praising Mr. Jones for terminating his plans, contradicted the Pentecostal pastor, noting he had not brokered a deal but rather a meeting.

“The imam committed to meet with us but did not commit to moving the mosque yet,” he said.

The odd disconnect — with Mr. Jones insisting that he alone could take credit for solving Manhattan’s religious dispute, and Mr. Abdul Rauf ’s representatives denying that even a meeting had been agreed to — suggested that Mr. Jones was trying to save face and hold on to the spotlight, even as he abandoned an act that could have made him a widely reviled figure.
looks like the NY Muslim Center claim was a tactic by this guy
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:15 PM   #245
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*sigh*

I'm sure no one saw this coming:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/wo...er=rss&emc=rss
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As much as I disapprove of burning books, there must be a better way to deal with this than to resort to violence.
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Old 09-10-2010, 03:52 PM   #247
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As much as I disapprove of burning books, there must be a better way to deal with this than to resort to violence.
Try telling that to Afghani's.

And I hope that jackass falls off a cliff for causing this.
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So, in the end, all this fuss for...nothing. Way to create an unnecessary situation, there, buddy . Glad he's backed off, though.

From that NY Times article...

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“This shows that the disaffection of the Afghans toward Americans is very, very strong,”
Good to see our time over there has been well spent.

Sigh. How much longer are we going to have to deal with this crap? Hasn't everyone gotten sick of it yet?

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Try telling that to Afghani's.

And I hope that jackass falls off a cliff for causing this.
That's too easy. Sure the guy's a jackass but these Afghani's are choosing their own response. Nobody's twisting their arms and telling them to resort to violence. These people need to learn how to deal with criticism. It's like the Danish cartoon thing all over again.
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These people need to learn how to deal with criticism.
True, but its not easy for them. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Quran say to either harm or murder those who criticize Islam? Since Muslims see the Quran as the absolute word of God, burning it would be like harming God. Also, there's little to no freedom of speech in most, if not all, Muslim countries. So, its ingrained in these people's culture to not handle criticism of Islam. But if they want to be part of the 21st century, and leave the 6th century, they might as well.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:26 PM   #251
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Good to see our time over there has been well spent.
When it comes to America, the Middle East is a powder keg; all it takes is one idiot to set it off. A thousand good deeds can be undone by one bad one, and unfortunately the US has a checkered history when it comes to the Middle East.

On the other hand, this article on CNN is worth reading...

2 Muslims travel 13,000 miles across America, find an embracing nation - CNN.com
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That's too easy. Sure the guy's a jackass but these Afghani's are choosing their own response. Nobody's twisting their arms and telling them to resort to violence. These people need to learn how to deal with criticism. It's like the Danish cartoon thing all over again.
One wonders what is/was the intend behind some people's behavior.
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True, but its not easy for them. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Quran say to either harm or murder those who criticize Islam?
Doesn't the Bibe say the same thing?

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Yeah it does, but that's the Old Testament. The New Testament is different from that.

But then again, that's a whole other topic. Not that I want to get off of it, I just don't want to derail the thread.

And besides, what does one have to do with the other?
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And besides, what does one have to do with the other?
Oh I dunno, maybe the fact that people are singling out Islam as being an inherently violent religion when, in fact, Christianity had some violent aspects to it as well.

But, yes, I'm no theologian, but I recognize that there is more violence in the Old Testament than in the New Testament.
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