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Old 08-29-2010, 06:19 PM   #211
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I was planing a trip to NYC. I have since, changed my mind. The Big Apple, the city that has always boasted to the rest of us. We are so metropolitian and melting pot of the world. Has given me, a bad taste in my mouth.

Folks had no problem, boycotting Arizona. How would New York, like the same?[/QUOTE]

Mayor Bloomberg has spoken out many a time in favor of the community center. Don't blame us for glen beck.
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Old 08-29-2010, 06:55 PM   #212
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I agree Angela, it isn't right to boycott any state. I was just throwing that around to see what people would say.
My NYC trip is booked for October. I'll be staying with friends only a few blocks up the street from the madness actually.
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This is getting really scary.

Church plans Quran-burning event - CNN.com
Yes pray about it and don't back down, even if it means the lives of the men and women who are risking their lives while you spew your hateful rhetoric. I'm sure God approves.

Church 'praying' about plan to burn Quran - World news - South and Central Asia - Afghanistan - msnbc.com

MIAMI — A church planning to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11 is 'definitely praying' about the controversial demonstration, its pastor said after Gen. David Petraeus warned it would put in danger the lives of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan.

In an interview on CNN, Terry Jones, of the Dove World Outreach Church in Gainesville, Fla., appeared to suggest church members might decide not to go ahead with the controversial demonstration.

Jones, author of a book called "Islam is of The Devil," told CNN's "American Morning" show that the burning was designed to send a message to radical Islam.

But when he was asked about the views of Petraeus, the U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, Jones said: "We are actually very, very concerned of course; we are taking the general's words serious. We are continuing to pray about the action on September 11. But we don't know, how long do we back down?"

On Monday, Petraeus said the Quran-burning event would be exploited by the Taliban.

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," he said. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world, we are engaged with the Islamic community."

Lt. Gen. William Caldwell, commander of the NATO Training Mission in Afghanistan, told CNN the news of event was already provoking popular anger in Afghanistan.

"It's their Holy Book, so when somebody says that they're going to destroy that and cause a desecration to something that's very sacred to them, it's already stirred up a lot of discussion and concern amongst the people," he said.

"We very much feel that this could jeopardize the safety of our men and women that are serving over here," Caldwell added.

NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen told reporters in Washington Tuesday that he “strongly condemned” the church’s plan.

“I think such actions are in a strong contradiction with all of the values we stand for and fight for,” he said.

"Of course, there is a risk it may also have a negative impact on the security for our troops,” Rasmussen added.


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In Kabul, several hundred demonstrators, mostly students from religious schools who gathered outside Kabul's Milad ul-Nabi mosque on Monday, rallied to protest against the church's plan.

"We call on America to stop desecrating our Holy Quran," student Wahidullah Nori told Reuters. Some in the crowd chanted "Death to America."
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I was reminded of these words this morning.

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I'm just suggesting a little sensitivity goes a long way. Is that crazy?
I was listening to the guy that was filling in for Glenn Beck this morning and he was defending Terry "of the devil" Jones.

He wasn't defending his right to do so, for we all understand that, but he was defending Terry's wanting to burn the Quran, two very different things.

It's just another example of the hypocrisy of some.

Now I'm not saying that you Nathan stand in this group of hypocrites, it was just your words that popped into my head this morning as I was listening.
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"We call on America to stop desecrating our Holy Quran," student Wahidullah Nori told Reuters. Some in the crowd chanted "Death to America."
What's sad is that most Americans don't want this "Burn a Quran" day to take place. Its only a small minority. But because of this tiny group of people, I believe America is going to suffer for their actions. I wouldn't be surprised if terrorism happens because this church has infuriated the radicals.
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I think some so badly want this to be a holy war.
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Yes pray about it and don't back down, even if it means the lives of the men and women who are risking their lives while you spew your hateful rhetoric. I'm sure God approves.
Oh, of course. What would Jesus do, and all that?

Sooooooo, let's get this straight: We'll freak out over a non-political Islamic center being built two blocks from Ground Zero because it shows potential insensitivity to the victims and families affected by 9/11. even though so far, to my knowledge, it has no hateful intentions behind its construction. Protests galore and outrage and politicians making election hay out of this and the whole shebang. But this little Qu'ran burning and hate rally against Islam ON 9/11 itself? Oh, yeah, that's totally fine. No insensitivity there. No worthwhile outrage needed here.

Of course, these people have the right to do this burning if they so wish-free speech and such, no matter how insanely stupid I think the idea is ('cause you just know if those same "Christians" saw Muslims burning a Bible, they'd go completely apeshit). But I think it'd be wise to heed the general's words, because even if these creeps don't give a flying banana peel about how offensive it'll be to the Muslim community, this act will make Muslims even less friendly towards our troops and it'll end in a really bad way for them. But hey, if these book burners can sleep at night with that horrific scenario on their consciences, well...*Shrugs*.

Sheesh. And we still, 9 years later, cannot possibly figure out why the hell Muslims keep burning American flags and expressing anger towards the U.S.

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This guy could easily burn pictures of BinLaden and al-Qaeda flags, etc.


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Oh, of course. What would Jesus do, and all that?
He would not take a stand on this.

He stayed out of politics.
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not wanting the Muslim Center built in NY
is supporting this type of behavior
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Military Religious Freedom Foundation | The Constitutional Conscience of the United States Military

The nonprofit MRFF is raising money to buy a Qur'an to replace each one that is burned at the Dove World Outreach Center this weekend. The Qur'an books will be donated to the Afghan National Army as a gesture of goodwill to counter this ridiculous protest.

I certainly believe they have a right to burn whatever they want, just as I believe that the Islamic community center can be built near the World Trade Center site. I just hope the worldwide media will show that the U.S. is a diverse and mostly tolerant place. It probably won't though.
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"Where books are burned in the end people will be burned, too." (Heinrich Heine, 1797-1856)
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Very true ^^^.

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The nonprofit MRFF is raising money to buy a Qur'an to replace each one that is burned at the Dove World Outreach Center this weekend. The Qur'an books will be donated to the Afghan National Army as a gesture of goodwill to counter this ridiculous protest.
That's an excellent idea. Way to go, guys . Ah, maturity and decency, it's good to see you again.

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I certainly believe they have a right to burn whatever they want, just as I believe that the Islamic community center can be built near the World Trade Center site. I just hope the worldwide media will show that the U.S. is a diverse and mostly tolerant place. It probably won't though.
Sadly, not likely, no. Note to angry protesters in the States: You're not helping our image.

But I too do hope that not everyone out there judges us by the actions of a few crazy people. I don't want the U.S. to be made fun of and hated. It's embarrassing.

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Another thing that is so wrong about the Quran burning is that it ruins remembering 9/11. Instead of remembering that day, you're worried for the future of the country and its troops, feeling embarrassed to be an American, etc.
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The news story I saw showed him and some of the other people in his church -and they were carrying weapons during their services. So my hunch is that their church is more like a self described church a la Westboro Baptist. They only had 30 people at their service when Terry Moran was there-so it's definitely a small group. I think he's enjoying the attention



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President Barack Obama said in an interview Thursday that the Quran-burning plan by a Florida pastor was "destructive" a "recruitment bonanza for al-Qaida."

Speaking on ABC's "Good Morning America" in an interview broadcast Thursday, Obama warned that Rev. Terry Jones' plan would endanger U.S. troops and could lead to serious violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The president called it a "stunt" and exhorted Jones to "listen to those better angels" and call off the protest this weekend.

"If he's listening, I hope he understands that what he's proposing to do is completely contrary to our values as Americans," Obama said. "That this country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance."

The president also said Jones' plan, if carried out, could serve as an incentive for terrorist-minded individuals "to blow themselves up" to kill others.

"And as a very practical matter, as commander in chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women in uniform," the president said.
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