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Old 07-28-2006, 01:08 PM   #31
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nbc, defining the discussion was your idea, so why don't you get it started rather than being needlessly evasive.
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:20 PM   #32
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It doesn't take long for an argument to break out in FYM, does it?
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:22 PM   #33
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nb did already ask a couple questions:
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Is any part of the body offensive? Are all bodily functions open for public viewing?
(Though perhaps in some cases an assertion is a better way to start...)
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:23 PM   #34
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It doesn't take long for an argument to break out in FYM, does it?
I gave my opinion about what NBC said... maybe it isn't controvertial enough
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:29 PM   #35
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My question was "is there going to be a discussion?" Far from being "evasive", I am frustrated by the persistent need for a meaningless post that does not further discussion.

No one is suggesting that breast feeding is bad, or should not take place.

My question would be "how do you balance one persons' personal behavior with the impact of that behavior on those around them?"

How do you measure the impact? Irvine suggested that not all bodily functions are appropriate for public view. On what principle do you distinguish one function from another?
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:37 PM   #36
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My question was "is there going to be a discussion?" Far from being "evasive", I am frustrated by the persistent need for a meaningless post that does not further discussion.
I don't think this thread is meaningless, just because we haven't present any discussion yet, besides if there's need of arguments I think they will rise naturally and not because someone says that this thread is useless because nobody's arguing.

I already gave my opinion about your questions,from the things I know. If you still think it is still useles, well, now is time for you to present yours
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How do you measure the impact? Irvine suggested that not all bodily functions are appropriate for public view. On what principle do you distinguish one function from another?


poop and pee are not acceptable.

breast feeding is.

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Old 07-28-2006, 01:41 PM   #38
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poop and pee are not acceptable.

breast feeding is.

Quite! Eating and drinking are acceptable in public, ergo breastfeeding should be. Other Western societies should take a leaf out of Scotland's book where it is now actually a criminal offence to ask a mum to STOP breastfeeding in public.
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:45 PM   #39
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My question was "is there going to be a discussion?" Far from being "evasive", I am frustrated by the persistent need for a meaningless post that does not further discussion.

No one is suggesting that breast feeding is bad, or should not take place.

My question would be "how do you balance one persons' personal behavior with the impact of that behavior on those around them?"

How do you measure the impact? Irvine suggested that not all bodily functions are appropriate for public view. On what principle do you distinguish one function from another?
All of what you just brought up has been peppered throughout the discussion so far...so why are you frustrated? And if this is how you would prefer to see it framed, great, thank you for clarifying.

You balance personal behaviour with impact on others with the perceived benefit of the personal behaviour as being necessary or more important than the effect it has on those exposed to it.

The distinction is nutrition versus sex versus hygiene/waste.

A babies nutrition and mother's well-being and need for social ineraction outweigh others' sexual and boldily function hangups.
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Old 07-28-2006, 01:58 PM   #40
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I don't think this thread is meaningless, just because we haven't present any discussion yet, besides if there's need of arguments I think they will rise naturally and not because someone says that this thread is useless because nobody's arguing.

I already gave my opinion about your questions,from the things I know. If you still think it is still useles, well, now is time for you to present yours
Thank you for responding to the questions. My other responses were not intended to dismiss you actual answering of my question.

Perhaps there is a correlation between an individuals objection to public breast feeding and the desire to keep sexual activity a purely private matter. In that case, perhaps the "breast as a symbol of sex" concept is influential.

Along these lines, one can ask the question "is there any room for an expectation of modesty?"

Another aspect to consider is the impact of personal functions around on others. Irvine drew a bright line with the "pee pee and poo poo" analysis. Does it end there? What about personal grooming? What about simply changing clothing? Would you change from street clothes to a swim suit in a public restaurant? Why not?

And to what degree do we regulate these behaviors based on our own desires vs. a desire not to offend someone else?
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Here's a random story:

My friend had a baby boy last year. She didn't breast feed for long for whatever reason.

Last summer she was out to dinner with her husband and another couple. She gave her son a bottle at the table and a woman actually stopped by and said, "You know, you should be breast feeding that baby." She said she just kind of laughed and the lady walked away.

I don't think I would have been so nice.
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All of what you just brought up has been peppered throughout the discussion so far...so why are you frustrated? And if this is how you would prefer to see it framed, great, thank you for clarifying.

You balance personal behaviour with impact on others with the perceived benefit of the personal behaviour as being necessary or more important than the effect it has on those exposed to it.

The distinction is nutrition versus sex versus hygiene/waste.

A babies nutrition and mother's well-being and need for social ineraction outweigh others' sexual and boldily function hangups.
We probably share the same opinion on the subject.

As a general statement, I think it is interesting to discovery why we have these opinions instead of feeling "sorry" for people who don't believe the same way.
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Here's a random story:

My friend had a baby boy last year. She didn't breast feed for long for whatever reason.

Last summer she was out to dinner with her husband and another couple. She gave her son a bottle at the table and a woman actually stopped by and said, "You know, you should be breast feeding that baby." She said she just kind of laughed and the lady walked away.

I don't think I would have been so nice.
I ran into that a lot...except that when I bottlefed my wee ones in public, it was my breastmilk. The looks on people's faces when I told them should have been captured by a horror photographer (in a similar art project as the lollipops & toddlers - which disturbs me, btw)...priceless.
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Along these lines, one can ask the question "is there any room for an expectation of modesty?"
Sure there is...and 99% of nursing moms ARE modest about how they handle nursing in public.

For many who find it offensive, just being in the presence of a breastfeeding mom is as much an issue than any potential peek-a-boo. Probably because the act itself parallels sexual activity.
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Sure there is...and 99% of nursing moms ARE modest about how they handle nursing in public.

For many who find it offensive, just being in the presence of a breastfeeding mom is as much an issue than any potential peek-a-boo. Probably because the act itself parallels sexual activity.
Actually, I've seen comments in prior threads that suggested the concept of modesty in this situation was an improper burden for the nursing mother.

As for this thread, we've never been given adequate facts to determine if the objections are to the moms who are modest about nursing, or to those who are not.
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