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Old 02-20-2012, 06:49 PM   #46
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yes, chink in the armor, really has no racial overtones.

It simply means a 'weakness' or crack and is often used,
but in the context of remarking on Lin having a bad game, and as a headline??


Common sense and political correctness should always be applied.

If I asked a co-worker to go to lunch, and he was Mexican American, I probably would not suggest tacos.
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Considering every single headline about Lin has been some sort of lame pun, I dint buy for one second that the headline wasn't done on purpose. I'd be much more likely to believe him if he said he made the change as a bad joke around the office and didn't realize he made it live until it was too late.
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yes, chink in the armor, really has no racial overtones.

It simply means a 'weakness' or crack and is often used,
but in the context of remarking on Lin having a bad game, and as a headline??


Common sense and political correctness should always be applied.

If I asked a co-worker to go to lunch, and he was Mexican American, I probably would not suggest tacos.
Your last sentence just proves to me (my opinion) what i was thinking all along. We have been PC'd too death in this stupid fucking country! So what if you wanted tacos? But now you have to suggest fried chicken instead because the guy is a Mexican American. I'd laugh if he retorted back to you "no dummy, take a good look at me, i want fucking tacos"!

If im going to lunch with a coworker who is black OOPS i mean African American, i guess there goes the damn chicken. Better ask them if they want tacos. Unless, of course, we are also going to lunch with a Mexican American, and then we're screwed right? Better plan on Chinese food then....unless Lin happens to be going with us....damn....then we can't eat. We will be starving and unable to perform our duties, and this whole PC thing will (ironically) be the ......wait for it.....CHINK IN OUR ARMOR.

I think the problem with a lot of the hyper-sensitivity here is, people don't know how to be real. I served 8 years in the army, I've heard every possible racial slur known to man, some of which were probably just made up. 99% of the guys i served with didn't give a shit about that stuff. We're men, we can take the ribbing. Sure its different when you have a sports media covering a sports team, and they use a term they've used 100 times before, and now they have to use a different term because it might be offensive. But hey, they're supposed to be professionals. Tell me Lin's teammates dont give him shit for being Chinese, and then tell me he doesn't have fun with that himself? You guys have no idea what goes on in the locker room behind closed doors. They are a team though, they got each others back, and nobody on that team is immune to the smack talk or general pranks of other players.

Next time a coworker wants me to go to dinner with them, god help them if they ask me to go have Indian tacos (im Indian on my mothers side), Greek food (dads side of the family), Irish food (great grandma was Irish), or even a hamburger (cause im white, DUH!). See how ridiculous and out of control this all is?
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I have a black friend and I suggest fried chicken for dinner all the time. We both enjoy fried chicken a lot.
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Your last sentence just proves to me (my opinion) what i was thinking all along. We have been PC'd too death in this stupid fucking country! So what if you wanted tacos? But now you have to suggest fried chicken instead because the guy is a Mexican American. I'd laugh if he retorted back to you "no dummy, take a good look at me, i want fucking tacos"!

If im going to lunch with a coworker who is black OOPS i mean African American, i guess there goes the damn chicken. Better ask them if they want tacos. Unless, of course, we are also going to lunch with a Mexican American, and then we're screwed right? Better plan on Chinese food then....unless Lin happens to be going with us....damn....then we can't eat. We will be starving and unable to perform our duties, and this whole PC thing will (ironically) be the ......wait for it.....CHINK IN OUR ARMOR.

I think the problem with a lot of the hyper-sensitivity here is, people don't know how to be real. I served 8 years in the army, I've heard every possible racial slur known to man, some of which were probably just made up. 99% of the guys i served with didn't give a shit about that stuff. We're men, we can take the ribbing. Sure its different when you have a sports media covering a sports team, and they use a term they've used 100 times before, and now they have to use a different term because it might be offensive. But hey, they're supposed to be professionals. Tell me Lin's teammates dont give him shit for being Chinese, and then tell me he doesn't have fun with that himself? You guys have no idea what goes on in the locker room behind closed doors. They are a team though, they got each others back, and nobody on that team is immune to the smack talk or general pranks of other players.

Next time a coworker wants me to go to dinner with them, god help them if they ask me to go have Indian tacos (im Indian on my mothers side), Greek food (dads side of the family), Irish food (great grandma was Irish), or even a hamburger (cause im white, DUH!). See how ridiculous and out of control this all is?


white people like us sure do have it tough.
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I think the problem with a lot of the hyper-sensitivity here is, people don't know how to be real. I served 8 years in the army, I've heard every possible racial slur known to man, some of which were probably just made up. 99% of the guys i served with didn't give a shit about that stuff. We're men, we can take the ribbing. Sure its different when you have a sports media covering a sports team, and they use a term they've used 100 times before, and now they have to use a different term because it might be offensive. But hey, they're supposed to be professionals. Tell me Lin's teammates dont give him shit for being Chinese, and then tell me he doesn't have fun with that himself? You guys have no idea what goes on in the locker room behind closed doors. They are a team though, they got each others back, and nobody on that team is immune to the smack talk or general pranks of other players.
But this isn't about a friend or a teammate giving someone else shit. This is about a major corporation using a racial slur toward an individual, one that's not very well represented in the NBA.

Surely you can see the difference.
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Considering every single headline about Lin has been some sort of lame pun, I dint buy for one second that the headline wasn't done on purpose. I'd be much more likely to believe him if he said he made the change as a bad joke around the office and didn't realize he made it live until it was too late.
Exactly. It may well have been an innocent mistake, but honestly, for someone to think that nobody out there would raise an eyebrow at a line like that, they'd have to be incredibly naive. Or have just been born yesterday.

I hate forced apologies, because you will never get any sort of sincere "I'm sorry" out of that, and the person apologizing will often turn it back on the person they made fun of, as a defensive gesture. I do think people should apologize if they clearly hurt someone, but I think they should do it because they want to and because they're genuinely sorry. Not because someone made them. It doesn't mean as much when it's not of your own choosing.

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Simply asserting that something is offensive isn't "blowing everything out of proportion."

This is reminiscent of my middle school students protest when they're bullying a classmate that "they're just playing and the kid shouldn't be offended."

My response to them is: "Who are you to decide when they should or shouldn't be bothered by your behavior. If someone indicates that they don't like what you're doing than the ONLY decent thing to do is to cut it out, apologize, and move on."


I agree that people shouldn't constantly feel the need to tiptoe around each other for fear something they say may offend someone, and everyone's sensitivity levels are different, we can't always assume that what offends one person could or should offend all. But at the same time, there are some things that one should just kind of know are pretty dumb and likely immature, if not outright offensive, things that there's really just no logically good reason to say to anyone. And if you're saying them just for shock value, that's just as pathetic. Especially if you're an adult who really should know better.

If you say something outrageous/offensive/whatever, fine, but don't be so shocked if people respond in outrage, and be prepared to deal with the reactions you'll get as a result.
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But this isn't about a friend or a teammate giving someone else shit. This is about a major corporation using a racial slur toward an individual, one that's not very well represented in the NBA.

Surely you can see the difference.
I can see the difference alright, but can YOU? First off, i will play devils advocate and look up the word "chink" for everyone again:

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Chink (chngk)
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for person of Chinese birth or descent.

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[Probably alteration of Chinese.]

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chink 1 (chngk)
n.
A narrow opening, such as a crack or fissure.
tr.v. chinked, chink·ing, chinks
1. To make narrow openings in.
2. To fill narrow openings in.

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[Probably alteration of obsolete chine, from Middle English, crack, from Old English cine.]

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chinky adj.

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chink 2 (chngk)
n.
A slight, metallic sound, as of coins rattling in a pocket.
intr. & tr.v. chinked, chink·ing, chinks
To make or cause to make a slight, metallic sound.

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Now that we have determined there are several meanings to the word "chink", lets look at it in context:

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Chink in the Armor 167 up, 84 down
1) An narrow opening and vunerable area in one's armor that the opponent will usually aim for. This term relies on "chink" in the sense of "a crack or gap," a meaning dating from about 1400 and used figuratively since the mid-1600s.

2) A figurative term for a one's weakness, largest flaw or their prevention of success.
1) Because of the chink in the armor of Sir Lancelot, his opponent was able to break past his defense and inflict a dangerous flesh wound.

2) We would have aced this presentation if Leo wasn't in our group. He didn't study at all, he's the chink in the armor.
So the term itself, as it was used, isn't considered a racial slur. ESPN said they'd used it "100 times" correct? You acknowledge that Lin's race is one "not very well represented in the NBA" So is it possible they made an oversight here? And that it was not intended as a racial slur against Lin, who appears to not have a problem with the term personally, by his own admittance?

Did they use bad or poor judgement? Yes, of course. But did ESPN do this intentionally to try and make a racial slur against Lin...i seriously doubt it. But again....everyone is so worked up in this Lin hysteria...he's probably embarrassed about all of the hysteria over this "incident". Or he could be laughing at you all (and me too) for all i know....either way...if this is such an outrage then this stupid fucking country has gone to PC HELL. I stand by this comment, this is a stupid fucking country, probably not worthy of the service of so many who have given their lives to defend it.
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I can see the difference alright, but can YOU? First off, i will play devils advocate and look up the word "chink" for everyone again:

Now that we have determined there are several meanings to the word "chink", lets look at it in context:

So the term itself, as it was used, isn't considered a racial slur. ESPN said they'd used it "100 times" correct? You acknowledge that Lin's race is one "not very well represented in the NBA" So is it possible they made an oversight here? And that it was not intended as a racial slur against Lin, who appears to not have a problem with the term personally, by his own admittance?

Did they use bad or poor judgement? Yes, of course. But did ESPN do this intentionally to try and make a racial slur against Lin...i seriously doubt it. But again....everyone is so worked up in this Lin hysteria...he's probably embarrassed about all of the hysteria over this "incident". Or he could be laughing at you all (and me too) for all i know....either way...if this is such an outrage then this stupid fucking country has gone to PC HELL. I stand by this comment, this is a stupid fucking country, probably not worthy of the service of so many who have given their lives to defend it.
So after 30,000 straight headlines and stories using nothing but lame Lin puns, the first headline to not make a Lin pun accidentally uses a racial slur about Chinese?

Really? You can't possibly believe that.
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white people like us sure do have it tough.
dont compare yourself to me..... You dont know what i have done, where i have been, etc.
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So after 30,000 straight headlines and stories using nothing but lame Lin puns, the first headline to not make a Lin pun accidentally uses a racial slur about Chinese?

Really? You can't possibly believe that.
i haven't read one goddamn headline about Lin, so yeah, i believe it. I dont live in NEW YORK CITY nor do i give two shits about the latest new york sports hysteria. I haven't watched ESPN since the playoffs, i dont watch late night tv, basically im what you New Yorkers might call "out of touch" here in the heartland, so sue me. Yes im aware of who he is because i do watch the nightly news (to get to know the enemy), but im afraid they haven't done any puns. What is there to pun about the guy? 30,000 times? Big fucking deal, another overpaid athlete who happens to be Chinese. Meanwhile we have soldiers, sailors, airmen, & marines who are getting blown to fuck defending our supposed freedom for peanuts compared to the money this Lin makes. And New Jersey lowers the flag to half staff because Whitney Houston OD's but nobody gives two shits about or kids who get killed every day. Yet we are outraged over stupid comments about "CHINK IN the ARMOR". Give me a fucking break.
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i haven't read one goddamn headline about Lin, so yeah, i believe it. I dont live in NEW YORK CITY nor do i give two shits about the latest new york sports hysteria. I haven't watched ESPN since the playoffs, i dont watch late night tv, basically im what you New Yorkers might call "out of touch" here in the heartland, so sue me. Yes im aware of who he is because i do watch the nightly news (to get to know the enemy), but im afraid they haven't done any puns. What is there to pun about the guy? 30,000 times? Big fucking deal, another overpaid athlete who happens to be Chinese. Meanwhile we have soldiers, sailors, airmen, & marines who are getting blown to fuck defending our supposed freedom for peanuts compared to the money this Lin makes. And New Jersey lowers the flag to half staff because Whitney Houston OD's but nobody gives two shits about or kids who get killed every day. Yet we are outraged over stupid comments about "CHINK IN the ARMOR". Give me a fucking break.


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MOST-MENTIONED ATHLETES ON ESPN THIS WEEK
Rather than break down the amount of time a specific sports figure was covered, we counted how frequently names were mentioned in the transcripts from the week. The 15 most-mentioned sports people for Feb. 10-16:

Jeremy Lin: 350 mentions
LeBron James: 70
Tiger Woods: 61
Peyton Manning: 56
Phil Mickelson: 46
Kobe Bryant: 44
Blake Griffin: 42
Carmelo Anthony: 37
Amar'e Stoudemire: 32
Dwyane Wade: 30
Chris Paul: 26
Jim Irsay: 24
Rajon Rondo: 23
Tim Tebow: 22
Randy Moss: 20
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Lin-citement
-- ESPN.com, Feb. 11

Jeremy Spoke In MSG Today
-- ESPN.com, Feb. 11

Where Linsanity goes from here
-- ESPN.com, Feb. 11

The Lin-sanity continues
-- ESPN.com, Feb. 12

TWC subscribers miss Linsanity
-- ESPN.com, Feb. 12

Lin As In Win
-- ESPN, Feb. 12

But there's more:

Lin launches NBA "Linsanity" with meteoric rise with Knicks
-- Reuters, Feb. 11

Linsanity Rages
-- Washington Post, Feb. 11

It's Official: Linsanity Is for Real
-- Time Magazine, Feb. 11

The Beautifully Linsane
-- Wall Street Journal, Feb. 12















your whole angry man thing here is touching. we are all very concerned about dying soldiers, and how we treat them is outrageous.

that said, it has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with this conversation.

you see no way that ESPN could have done this on purpose.

apparently you pay no attention to sports or pop culture whatsoever, so you were not aware that every single headline revolving around Jeremy Lin for the past two weeks has included an incredibly lame pun that included his name.

so your argument? yea, a little incomplete if you truly have no clue about all the ridiculous Lin puns.

because I find it pretty damned impossible that this happened...

ESPN Web Guy: Ya know... I think it's time all these Lin pun headlines stopped. I'm going to break the trend and simply pick a random sports cliche' for when things go wrong!


but yea... Whitney Houston.. grrrr. angry.
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Yeah, I'm from the heartland, too, and couldn't care less about sports, and I know who Jeremy Lin is. And Tim Tebow. And Brett Favre. And so on and so forth.

But then again, to be fair, I watch a LOT of TV . And I know a lot of people who watch sports.

I certainly agree that what we do obsess over in the news versus what we don't bother to talk about can be very skewed and ridiculous. And of all the outrageous things in the world, someone making a really stupid, immature headline about an athlete isn't the absolute worst thing to ever happen to anybody.

But it's a topic anyway, and it's what's being discussed in this thread. If you want to talk about the other issues you mentioned, please, start a thread. I'd be more than happy to talk about that stuff. I do think it deserves attention.
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I can see the difference alright, but can YOU? First off, i will play devils advocate and look up the word "chink" for everyone again:

Now that we have determined there are several meanings to the word "chink", lets look at it in context:

So the term itself, as it was used, isn't considered a racial slur. ESPN said they'd used it "100 times" correct? You acknowledge that Lin's race is one "not very well represented in the NBA" So is it possible they made an oversight here? And that it was not intended as a racial slur against Lin, who appears to not have a problem with the term personally, by his own admittance?

Did they use bad or poor judgement? Yes, of course. But did ESPN do this intentionally to try and make a racial slur against Lin...i seriously doubt it. But again....everyone is so worked up in this Lin hysteria...he's probably embarrassed about all of the hysteria over this "incident". Or he could be laughing at you all (and me too) for all i know....either way...if this is such an outrage then this stupid fucking country has gone to PC HELL. I stand by this comment, this is a stupid fucking country, probably not worthy of the service of so many who have given their lives to defend it.
Faggot has more than one meaning too, so do you want to defend that?

On the other side of "pc hell" are those that are incapable of empathy and constantly defend ignorance. Both sides can be hell.
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I hope the don't refer to the arena as MSG in the same headline they mention Lin. Amirite?
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