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Old 06-22-2011, 06:11 PM   #16
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Never knew Mel Gibson had eight kids.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:17 PM   #17
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From an environmental standpoint, I do agree that the human population needs to be controlled because that will alleviate the impact that humans have on the planet, from food production all the way to global warming.

Women shouldn't necessarily be judged as stupid if they have a lot of kids, neither should they be judged as smart if they have few or no kids at all. Having kids is a personal decision that should not be criticized, but the cost of this decision will continue to increase to the parents, government, and the environment.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:21 PM   #18
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From an environmental standpoint, I do agree that the human population needs to be controlled because that will alleviate the impact that humans have on the planet, from food production all the way to global warming.
Anybody here read "Freedom" by Jonathan Franzen?
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:49 AM   #19
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I'd argue that, the odd massive family notwithstanding, a lot of it has to do with living standards.

You know what happened when the Industrial Revolution and associated improvements in public sanitation arrived in Europe (inroads into various disease via vaccine and antibiotics come later again)? The population went through the roof. For the first time in history, cities became self-sustaining.

So you had all these ten or thirteen-child families, where suddenly the greater portion are reaching adulthood alive where once they did not. This is backed up by improved agricultural output and all the rest. Two or three or four generations on, the population in Europe in general is not only not going through the roof, it's basically stagnant.

There's way more to this than religion or education or values. It starts with agricultural output. At that point the horse has bolted. But I'd suspect the endgame isn't perpetual growth but a global plateau.
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Overconsumption and mindless waste a far greater problems than the actual size of the population at the moment.
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